Stefan
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| Stefan | |
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 Stefan's Forum Avatar | |
| Nationality | Swedish |
| Other names | Squirrel, Amaryl |
| Years active | 2000–2016 |
| Known for | Creating Imperial Conflict |
| Title | Retired Admin • Retired Dev • Retired Mod • Retired Player |
Stefan was one of the two original Imperial Conflict Administrators. Together, with MasterMike, he founded Imperial Conflict in February 2000.
A few years into the game, Stefan had all but disappeared from the public side of the community. MasterMike had long since departed, and the mod team literally kept the game going. Stefan was still present of course, and would actively handle more severe incidents such as bugs or game outages.
However, as early as 2004, the community had felt a noticeable decline in its relationship with its creator.
Stefan was the primary admin, effectively being the single owner of the game, until he sold IC to I_like_pie in 2016.
Stefan made and released two other games besides Imperial Conflict; Dragon Lords and Final Conquest. These are considered by some to be IC's sister-games.
Interviews
Is this Stefan also known as Anti who lives with Weatherlight?
May 14th, 2004
This log starts from when Lizzy turned moderation on until she turned it off (thus, only the "official" interview).
[13:03] * Lizzy sets mode: +m [13:03] * nemesis has left #interview [13:04] <Lizzy> For those that have additional questions [13:04] <Earth_Mover> Why a new server in a different country? [13:04] <Lizzy> PM me or EM [13:04] * slayza has joined #interview [13:04] <Earth_Mover> preferably Lizzy :p [13:04] <Lizzy> :p [13:04] * nemesis has joined #interview [13:05] * KarmaPolice42 has joined #interview [13:05] <Earth_Mover> lalala, in your own time stefan [13:06] * Lizzy switches off StarTrek on the TV... [13:06] * Deluge has joined #interview [13:06] <stefan> me and a friend are starting a little dedicated server hosting firm, and so it is more convenient to host Imperial at th same place [13:07] * Roughnecks has joined #interview [13:07] * Wraith^^ has joined #interview [13:07] <Earth_Mover> What were the specifications of the old server, and what are the specifications/advantages of the new one? [13:08] * KT has joined #interview [13:08] <stefan> old, current, is a P4 at 1.7ghz, new one is a P4 at 2.8ghz with dual S-ATA drives [13:09] <Earth_Mover> What type of connection it will be on [13:10] * topgun has left #interview [13:10] <stefan> also, old server has a rather old OS installed, which is difficult to upgrade remotely [13:10] <stefan> 1gbit connection, good connectivity [13:10] * Peter has joined #interview [13:10] <Earth_Mover> will your friend be contributing anything to IC? [13:10] <stefan> No [13:11] * pball has left #interview [13:11] <Earth_Mover> How long will it take till the new server is up? [13:11] * pball has joined #interview [13:11] <stefan> rather longer than I expected, but most likely within a week [13:11] <Earth_Mover> will there be downtime? [13:12] <stefan> yes, but not more than an hour or two [13:12] <Earth_Mover> Any idea when this is expected to take place? [13:13] <stefan> as of now, no [13:13] <Earth_Mover> Why IC3? Where is IC2 and how far did that get? How long have you been working on IC3? [13:13] * TheGrizzlyOne has joined #interview [13:14] <stefan> IC2 did not get very far. It was a completely new game and I lost interest after a while. [13:14] * Decimus has joined #interview [13:15] * windowsME has joined #interview [13:15] <stefan> I have been working on IC3 for a couple of months, though very sporadically due to massive amount of non-IC work [13:15] * NoirCavalry has left #interview [13:15] <Earth_Mover> What is the ETA for IC3? And will there be alpha/beta testing before, how can people join those? [13:15] * ASKMYQUESTIONS_EM has joined #INTERVIEW [13:15] * Satan has left #interview [13:15] * Bullio has left #interview [13:15] * Bullio has joined #interview [13:16] * Satan_Owns_You_Stefan has joined #interview [13:16] * Satan_Owns_You_Stefan has left #interview [13:16] * Satan_Owns_You_Stefan has joined #interview [13:16] * slayza has left #interview [13:16] * Satan_Owns_You_Stefan has left #interview [13:16] * Satan_Owns_You_Stefan has joined #interview [13:16] * Satan_Owns_You_Stefan has left #interview [13:16] * Bullio has left #interview [13:16] * Bullio has joined #interview [13:16] * Bullio has left #interview [13:16] * Bullio has joined #interview [13:16] * Bullio has left #interview [13:16] * Lizzy sighs [13:16] * Bullio has joined #interview [13:16] * Bullio has left #interview [13:16] * GVD has joined #interview [13:16] * GVD has left #interview [13:16] <stefan> there should be a beta version in place in a month or so. Running concurrently with IC1, public or not I can't say atm, and then it will replace IC1. [13:16] * Bullio has joined #interview [13:17] * I_Love_YOU_STEFAN has joined #interview [13:17] <Earth_Mover> Will IC3 be PHP again or something else? And if PHP, why the preference for PHP? [13:17] * I_Love_YOU_STEFAN has left #interview [13:17] * Lizzy sets mode: +b *!*@195.240.192.253 [13:17] * Bullio was kicked by Lizzy (Lizzy�) [13:17] * GVD has joined #interview [13:17] * Lizzy sets mode: +b *!*@217.87-136-217.adsl.skynet.be [13:17] * GVD was kicked by Lizzy (Lizzy�) [13:18] <stefan> it is made in PHP, mostly because of convenience. IC3 is not a radical departure from IC1 and much will be similar. [13:18] * Wraith^^ has left #interview [13:19] <Earth_Mover> What changes are already planned to make it different? [13:19] <stefan> New units! ;) [13:20] <Earth_Mover> any details? [13:21] <stefan> one of the main things with IC3 is customizability. Mods will be able set up rounds that are quite dissimilar. [13:21] <Earth_Mover> At the start, will whole fams get transferred to this new game, or does everyone start in Virgo again and will histories/tag points be resetted? [13:22] * VicksIsol has joined #interview [13:23] <stefan> I have not thought about how to transfer rounds - we will probably let the current rounds end before moving those players. Histories will be retained. Tag points probably. I say probably because we will make use of another forum. [13:23] * Destroyyoutoo has left #interview [13:24] * paul has joined #interview [13:24] * deadblood has left #interview [13:24] <Earth_Mover> will IC3 also be family based? or will some galaxies be individual? [13:25] * Destroyyoutoo has joined #interview [13:25] <stefan> IC3 is family-based atm, individual galaxies may also make it [13:25] <Earth_Mover> Will Virgo remain the same, with the same tutors etc? Will tutor accounts be linked to normal accounts? [13:26] * Lexuzis has left #interview [13:27] <stefan> no change in Virgo is planned. Tutor accounts will be integrated better so that tutors do not have to register two accounts. [13:27] * Dangerous has left #interview [13:27] <Earth_Mover> Will IC3 be P2P or still free with the possibility of VIP accounts? [13:28] <stefan> IC3 will still be free, with VIP accounts for added features [13:28] * StrongBad has joined #interview [13:28] * Sir_Duckie has left #interview [13:28] * Duck|Dinner has joined #interview [13:28] <Earth_Mover> Will the rules regarding multying/sitting/drafting etc stay the same or will for example multiple accounts be allowed? [13:31] * Fela has left #interview [13:31] * stefan has quit IRC (Ping timeout�) [13:32] <Lizzy> He'll be back :P [13:32] * Primo has joined #interview [13:33] * stefan has joined #interview [13:33] * [Hope] has joined #interview [13:34] <Earth_Mover> Will VIP accounts be transfered? [13:34] * Lizzy sets mode: +o stefan [13:34] <stefan> sorry about that, network took a nap [13:34] <stefan> VIP accounts will be transferred, yes [13:34] * VicksIsol has left #interview [13:35] * paul has left #interview [13:35] <Earth_Mover> Will the rules regarding multying/sitting/drafting etc stay the same or will for example multiple accounts be allowed? [13:35] <stefan> no change there [13:36] <Earth_Mover> Will there still be a 1 minute lock up during the tick? And will ticks last the same time? [13:36] <stefan> ticks should be smoother, both due to tick improvement and of course the faster server [13:37] <Earth_Mover> will there still be the gap between ticks? or back to the old days where u could play through the tick? [13:38] <stefan> I am not sure yet. The gap is there to conserve energy for the tick. It may not be needed anymore. [13:38] <Earth_Mover> Will IC3 be fully customizable? (In terms of design)? [13:38] <stefan> yes [13:39] <Earth_Mover> Will there be new galaxies in IC3 or different galaxies? [13:39] * Pixey has joined #interview [13:40] <stefan> not decided yet. Galaxies will not be as similar as they are today though. Units available will differ, for example. [13:40] <Earth_Mover> Will there be changes in the forum or will they get transfered completely? [13:40] * stefan looks for the option in X-chat that makes private messages not pop up in front [13:40] <Earth_Mover> lol [13:40] * Olorin has joined #interview [13:41] * [Hope] has left #interview [13:41] <stefan> the current forums will be replaced with punbb, www.punbb.org. Smartys has made a skin that looks Imperial-ish. [13:42] <Earth_Mover> Regarding the fully custoisable design, will this give each account the possibilty of its own design, or set designs that can be mixed? [13:43] * TC has joined #interview [13:43] * TheGrizzlyOne has left #interview [13:44] <stefan> set designs that the either the player can choose from, as sidebar is chosen now, or perhaps a set design for each galaxy. Nothing decided on yet. [13:44] <stefan> -the [13:45] * IronFist has joined #interview [13:45] <Earth_Mover> Will the VIP features remain the same? and will some of the options that give an advantage to game play be removed? [13:45] * Isaak has joined #interview [13:46] <stefan> as of now there are no changes [13:47] * I_like_pie has joined #interview [13:47] <Earth_Mover> What is the reason for a move to a different forum server? Will the Family forums be independt of that or will they be tied to the same tihng as well (in reference to pnubb.org server move) [13:48] * WankoTSane has joined #interview [13:49] <stefan> main reason is that the current forums suck. Yes, they truly do. Like much of IC, it was once a good thing, but over the years it has been patched into Swiss cheese. [13:49] * Admiral has joined #interview [13:49] <Earth_Mover> so this will include fam forums moving over as well? [13:50] <stefan> yes [13:50] <Earth_Mover> Will we ever get our beloved race pictures back? [13:50] * Sir_Wackie has joined #interview [13:50] <Earth_Mover> and race descriptions to [13:51] <stefan> actually, in IC3 there will not be any custom races. (crowd explodes in rage) [13:51] <Earth_Mover> Will this lead to more pre made races? [13:52] <stefan> 5-6 or should do. Custom races will be replaced by the ability to customize the policies of your empire. If you have played Europa Universalis you know what I mean. [13:52] * Private has joined #interview [13:52] <Earth_Mover> and if we havent? can you explain [13:53] <stefan> It's a cheap game, go play it ;) [13:54] <Earth_Mover> this is cheaper, and it would be quicker for you to explain than play it [13:54] * Burning|notherereally has joined #interview [13:54] <stefan> basically it's the same thing, only you do not simply choose your empire's charcteristics once and then that's it, but you can change them as the game plays out. [13:54] <Earth_Mover> whats the website for this ? (loads of people are ready to leave) [13:55] * GRiMMiE has joined #interview [13:56] <stefan> http://www.paradoxplaza.com/ [13:56] <Earth_Mover> Will be new rules/formulas/etc. which might effect current strats ? [13:56] * Morphy has joined #interview [13:56] * hardcore4eva has left #interview [13:57] <stefan> yes. But as I said, it will not be a radical change from IC1, since people do seem to enjoy the current game.. [13:58] * StefanRmyMother has joined #interview [13:58] <Earth_Mover> ask him if science planets will remain, and if they do, will they be changed to have more effect later on the round? now they only have meaning in the beginning [13:58] * StefanRmyMother has left #interview [13:59] <stefan> they will be changed. Currently they are a bit silly... [13:59] * OwnagebyGunsligner has joined #interview [13:59] <Earth_Mover> along with morale planets? because they only really help the top families. [13:59] <stefan> right [14:01] <Earth_Mover> Will there be more mods needed to run IC3, or will the present staff be ample? [14:01] <stefan> mods will have more options in IC3, so more mods may be needed [14:01] * pball has left #interview [14:02] <Earth_Mover> Will there be more profesionality? [14:02] * Naz has joined #interview [14:02] <stefan> define professionality first [14:03] <Lizzy> Its a question by Jinx, who cant be here at this time... [14:03] <Lizzy> So it might be hard for EM to define it :) [14:03] * Destroyyoutoo has left #interview [14:03] * Lateralis has joined #Interview [14:04] * Destroyyoutoo has joined #interview [14:04] <Earth_Mover> will this new system make it easyer for people with lesser people in the fam to be more equal to the fams that are full [14:05] * nemesis has left #interview [14:06] * nemesis has joined #interview [14:06] <stefan> not as of yet [14:07] * Roughnecks has left #interview [14:07] <Earth_Mover> So nothing like applying empire overbuild costs to the whole family? [14:07] * Thijs has joined #interview [14:07] <stefan> no, nothing like that atm [14:08] <Earth_Mover> will you update our current irc server when upgrading to ic3 / new server [14:08] * Private has left #interview [14:08] * Zomzom has left #interview [14:09] * TC has left #interview [14:09] <stefan> it is already decently up-to-date, but I will surely re-compile it [14:10] * Tigrine has joined #Interview [14:10] <Earth_Mover> Which version of PHP will IC3 use and will it use zend optimizer ? [14:11] * Richard has joined #interview [14:12] <stefan> PHP 5.0 most likely, and yes. It will also use the Smarty template engine, and a PHP cache thingy. [14:12] * police has joined #interview [14:12] * Admiral has left #interview [14:13] <Earth_Mover> Why isnt IC3 called IC2, since IC2 was never implimented? [14:13] * Destroyyoutoo has left #interview [14:13] * Magoria has joined #interview [14:13] * Magoria has left #interview [14:14] <stefan> no particular reason [14:14] <Earth_Mover> Will any of the current resources change, will there be more? and will octarine become more important? [14:16] <stefan> as of now the resources are the same [14:16] * Lateralis has left #interview [14:17] * Blue has joined #interview [14:17] <Earth_Mover> Now time for the community to learn more about you, hope you dont mind some personal questions :D [14:17] <stefan> more than 4-5 resources are not likely, as it would not really serve any purpose other than confusing new players [14:17] <Earth_Mover> How are you? [14:17] <stefan> I am well [14:17] <Earth_Mover> What is your job? [14:18] <stefan> I am a system developer, currently mostly working with IP telephony [14:18] <Earth_Mover> Why did you make IC? [14:19] <stefan> I was, at the time, an Utopia addict grown bored with that game, and so figured it would be fun to make one myself [14:20] <Earth_Mover> Are you an IC addict? and do you play, and will you play IC3? [14:20] <stefan> I am definately not an IC addict, or any other addict for that matter, though some perhaps would contest that [14:20] <stefan> I may very well play IC3, yes [14:21] <Lizzy> *StarTrek cough cough* [14:21] <Earth_Mover> My Question: Can i draft you when you play IC3? [14:22] * Dark_Wing is now known as DW-bbl [14:22] <stefan> no, I'd be undercover [14:23] <Earth_Mover> :( [14:23] <Earth_Mover> why are you never active in the forums? Do you ever read them? [14:24] <stefan> I do read, mostly mod forum and Ideas. I'm less active because that gives me more time for other things. [14:25] <Earth_Mover> liek watching star trek? [14:25] <stefan> I'm still hoping to make a guest appearance in Enterprise [14:25] <Earth_Mover> Why make a game and then withdraw from public appearances almost completely? (making it seem as you stopped caring) [14:26] * Stuffzilla has joined #interview [14:27] * Blue has left #interview [14:27] * Isaak has left #interview [14:28] <stefan> well, I, along with Mike, made this game 4 years ago. It's difficult to remain enthusiastic about something for such a long time. Rather than try, I chose to distance myself and let the community in the form of the mods run the game, with me around for development. It is working quite well for me. [14:29] <Earth_Mover> Do you get any fan mail? or would you like some? [14:29] * evilsheep_Naked has joined #interview [14:29] <Lizzy> *Theres a lack of emailaddress to send mail to* [14:29] <Earth_Mover> real address :p [14:30] * IronFist has left #interview [14:30] <stefan> I do get fan email, or got, rather, before that was spammed out. In many of the VIP donations I receive by email people praise the game, which is fun. [14:31] * Deluge has left #interview [14:31] <Earth_Mover> Whats your all time favourite female character in Star Trek? [14:32] * Angel_of_Malus has joined #interview [14:33] * Enthalpy has joined #interview [14:34] <stefan> difficult question... I'd have to say the female half Klingon, half human that Word had a fling with. Forgot the name. [14:34] <stefan> Worf! [14:34] <Earth_Mover> ur not a true addict then! you cant forget names [14:34] <Earth_Mover> How gay are you? [14:36] <stefan> Not at all. If you refer to the post by Liz, discount it; Lizzy, or Helmud Mit Dem Grossen Bratwurst as she was known as before the operation, is just jealous of my girlfriend. [14:36] <Earth_Mover> Any more details on what you think of lizzy? [14:37] * Nerkaanium has joined #interview [14:37] * police has left #interview [14:38] <stefan> I think she is great, as are the rest of the mod team [14:38] * ACL has left #interview [14:39] <Earth_Mover> someone wants a picture of you? any avaliable? [14:39] * Steve_Irwin has joined #interview [14:39] * Walky has joined #interview [14:39] <stefan> none [14:40] <Earth_Mover> Are you really evading taxes? [14:40] <stefan> nope [14:40] <Earth_Mover> How long did you serve jail? [14:41] <stefan> I have never been in jail [14:41] * LongGoneGhosts has joined #interview [14:42] * DivineCW has joined #interview [14:42] <Earth_Mover> Boxers or briefs? [14:42] <stefan> boxers [14:42] <Earth_Mover> Leather or lace? [14:42] * Duck|Dinner has left #interview [14:42] <stefan> why choose? [14:42] <Earth_Mover> cos you have to! [14:43] <stefan> OK, then leather [14:43] <Earth_Mover> Do you get bored of all the whineing that alot of the IC community does? [14:43] * Richard has left #interview [14:44] <stefan> after a couple of years you get used to it [14:44] <stefan> you can't please everyone, and that's all there is to it [14:45] * OwnagebyGunsligner has left #interview [14:45] <Earth_Mover> Have you ever considered how many IC players educations you have ruined with IC? [14:45] * hardcore4eva has joined #interview [14:45] <stefan> yes. (muahaha) [14:46] * Killer_Hobbits has left #interview [14:46] <Earth_Mover> Have you ever fanticised about squiralls? [14:46] <stefan> no, but I think they are cute [14:46] <Earth_Mover> Boobs, Arse or Legs ( on a woman of course) [14:46] * Hobbits|away has joined #interview [14:47] <Lizzy> Or man :p [14:47] <stefan> boobs, arse, and legs [14:48] * Nerkaanium has left #interview [14:48] <Earth_Mover> what do you have to say about ara's comments when he left the mod team? (did you read them?) [14:49] <stefan> I fail to recollect them right now, so I guess they were not that memorable [14:49] <Earth_Mover> It was about you not caring and such for the mod team etc, but if you dont want to answer, its fine [14:50] <stefan> oh. Then again, you can't please everyone. [14:50] <Earth_Mover> Does honour have a place in IC, or would you prefer no honour? [14:50] * Marie has joined #interview [14:50] * Dookie has joined #interview [14:51] <stefan> in general, people are honourable. Less so when they play games, as it is very competitive. To maintain honour the game must be set up so as to reward honour. We will attmpt to adress this in IC3. [14:53] <Earth_Mover> What type of music do you like? [14:53] * Harvard has joined #interview [14:53] * Burning|notherereally has left #interview [14:54] * Burning has joined #interview [14:54] <stefan> all sorts. From Outkast to Sarah Brightmann. [14:54] <Earth_Mover> Will the custom games return? [14:55] <stefan> not likely [14:55] <Earth_Mover> Will the newsletter return/finally appear? [14:55] * AverageICplayer has joined #interview [14:56] <stefan> I don't know [14:56] <Earth_Mover> What (roughly) is the income and expenditure for/from IC in a year? [14:56] * GRiMMiE has left #interview [14:56] * BOR has joined #interview [14:56] * GRiMMiE|awayish has joined #interview [14:57] * Pixey has left #interview [14:58] * Pixey has joined #interview [14:58] <stefan> it generates a healthy profit, but not enough for me to have that pointy ears operation [14:58] <Earth_Mover> Rock, Paper, Scissors ever returning? [14:58] <stefan> K'Ehleyr is the name of the Klingon chick, thank you Olorin [14:59] <stefan> no, it will not return [14:59] * Pixey has left #interview [14:59] <Earth_Mover> :( [14:59] <Earth_Mover> Will IC3 be as prone to hackers as DT did lately? [15:00] <stefan> no, unlike IC1, IC3 is made with security in mind [15:00] * joey has joined #interview [15:00] <Earth_Mover> Could you draw us a firetruck like Mike did years ago and post it in announcements? [15:00] * joey has left #interview [15:01] <Earth_Mover> And is it true, you have mike hidden in your basement? [15:01] * vincentvega has joined #interview [15:01] * Pixey has joined #interview [15:01] <stefan> no, my firetruck-drawing skills are not yet complete [15:01] * Pixey has left #interview [15:01] <stefan> Mike and I live quite near and are still good friends [15:02] <Earth_Mover> thanks for today, more to come hopefully, im sure most have enjoyed [15:02] <stefan> thank you [15:02] * Lizzy sets mode: -m [15:02] <Earth_Mover> sorry to those questions i didnt ask, anything you would like to add
October 16th, 2007
I have pasted the logs from when Stefan joined the room until KT turned off moderation. Stefan was only slightly active for the two hours or so, but the discussion continues for two hours afterward (and in a part of the log I haven't posted, discussion continues for over an hour before). The times are EST (GMT -5).
[11:11] * Stefan has joined #imperialconflict [11:11] * Primo sets mode: +o Stefan [11:11] * Elrohir bows [11:11] <Stefan> hello everyone [11:11] <Genesis> hey [11:11] <OrBit> thats kinda of the deal with the congress, but its not sued in that way [11:11] <Elrohir> hi [11:11] <KT> hi hi [11:11] * Neph has left #imperialconflict [11:11] <evilsheep_Naked> About time i say... [11:11] <OrBit> used* [11:11] <evilsheep_Naked> =P [11:11] <Elrohir> congress nowadays is just a place for spam [11:11] <Wendy> anyway i think we need to move onto the next topic:P [11:11] <OrBit> bring it on :O [11:12] <Wendy> length of rounds [11:12] * Neph has joined #imperialconflict [11:12] <Wendy> & now i am gonna devoice:P [11:12] <Archangel> noooo [11:12] <Wendy> yes [11:12] <Elrohir> length of rounds should be different in the galaxies [11:12] <Elrohir> ! [11:12] <OrBit> why [11:12] * Wendy sets mode: -v Elrohir [11:12] <OrBit> oi :P [11:12] <Wendy> to give others a chance to speak OrBit [11:12] <OrBit> no [11:12] <OrBit> why to elrohir [11:12] * Neph has left #imperialconflict [11:13] <Wendy> or advertising [11:13] * Iamsmart has joined #imperialconflict [11:13] <Wendy> please pm if u have something to say on advertising [11:13] * Wendy sets mode: -v Archangel [11:13] * Wendy sets mode: -v OrBit [11:13] <Genesis> advertising would mean spending money [11:13] <Genesis> so good ideas are most welcome here :P [11:14] <Primo> Genesis, you had questions for Stefan [11:14] <Primo> regarding advertising [11:14] * Wendy sets mode: +v Ben [11:14] <Primo> if i remember correctly [11:14] <Wendy> ben does also have a suggestion [11:14] <Primo> ok [11:14] * rodent has joined #imperialconflict [11:14] <Ben> I suggest using the income from VIPs to pay for sponsored links in Google and other advertising companies [11:15] <Genesis> Primo my questions were more on the basis of how much money is being gathered through vip donations, and how is it being put to use [11:15] <Genesis> because like Ben said, it could be a good way to advertise the game [11:15] <Genesis> Stefan? [11:16] * Wendy tempts Stefan with cookies [11:16] <Stefan> ooh, cookies! [11:16] * euromistress has left #imperialconflict [11:17] <Wendy> so how about the answer for Genesis, Stefan [11:17] <Stefan> yes, using VIp money for advertising on google is an idea I have toyed with myself, but never gotten around to doing. [11:17] <Stefan> that was for Ben [11:17] * Wendy sets mode: +v Arocalex [11:18] <Genesis> basically it'd be nice to know what you have in mind for the game, Stefan [11:18] <Ben> is it actually enough to pay for advertising though? [11:18] <Stefan> I don't know off the top of my head how much money is gathered these days [11:18] <Genesis> the mods have repeatedly said not much can be done without you [11:18] * PP_ has joined #imperialconflict [11:18] <Genesis> which is true, you being the admin [11:18] <Stefan> it surely is less than it used to be, obviously [11:18] <Wendy> Arocalex wants to add [11:19] <Arocalex> on advertising: we could simply use what many other web based games do: they link the voting(on sites) to their currency [11:19] <Arocalex> like what was done before but more on a permanent bases [11:19] <Arocalex> thats how i actually found ic, and i think i am not allone [11:20] <Stefan> yes, we used to do that a lot in the middle ages, circa 5 years ago. [11:21] <Arocalex> and we won each time an effort was put into it [11:21] <Arocalex> and i do remember the current online thingy rising then [11:22] * Edison has joined #imperialconflict [11:22] <Genesis> basically the game has steadily been losing players [11:22] <Genesis> we need more player influx [11:22] <Ben> thing is, I believe it's against MPOGD rules (and most likely many other sites) to reward voting [11:22] <Wendy> Poki has a suggestion, or maybe 2 [11:22] * Wendy sets mode: +v Poki [11:23] <Poki> stefan can earn money for IC fund through putting advertiser into the game [11:23] <Arocalex> that i find hard to believe, olmost all other web based games i played(circa 20) have this system [11:23] <Wendy> & yes some voting sites do not allow u to participate if u offer rewards [11:23] <Poki> with each click into the advertiser web, we gain money out of it [11:23] <Stefan> indeed, Ben, direct rewards was always a bit illegal, even though they (MPOGD) never seemed to do anything about it. [11:24] <Ben> according to Iamsmart directoryofgames.com does allow for rewards. The downside is it isn't too well know as far as I know. [11:24] <Genesis> Stefan i'd just like to hear from your own mouth what you have in mind for the game. do you want to improve it, or keep it the way it is [11:24] <Genesis> i think that's the big issue here. [11:24] <Poki> we could actually consider ebay too. since people would spend on ebay means that they are wealth enough [11:24] <Poki> we can actually earn money from those ebay surfer [11:25] <Poki> advertise in ebay is actually good [11:25] <Ben> yes, but what would you sell on ebay? VIPs? It's pretty much the same as the paypal donations. [11:25] <Arocalex> the people that surf around ebay are of a diffrent class, and i imagine that it costs a lot more [11:25] <Poki> no , with advertise our game in their web [11:25] <Arocalex> i meant type [11:26] <Primo> em [11:26] <Poki> they will try to join our game, and eventually if they are rich enough, they will buy vip [11:26] <Primo> ok [11:26] <Primo> one person at a time :| [11:26] * Primo sets mode: -vv Arocalex Poki [11:26] <Primo> give stefan time to answer questions before the next is thrown at him [11:26] <Ben> ofcourse :) [11:27] * Primo prods Stefan with a cattle prod. [11:27] * Edison has left #imperialconflict [11:27] <Stefan> I like the cookies better [11:27] <Wendy> i am sure u do :P [11:27] <Primo> no cookies for you till you answer questions. [11:27] <Wendy> u can have more later tho [11:28] <Genesis> i'll repeat, if i may [11:28] <Genesis> Stefan i'd just like to hear from your own mouth what you have in mind for the game. do you want to improve it, or keep it the way it is [11:28] <Genesis> i think that's the big issue here. [11:29] <Stefan> Genesis, I don't really have a clear goal with the game atm. I don't want it to disappear though. [11:29] <Genesis> it's slowly going away though [11:29] <Genesis> barely any new players [11:29] * WiLd has joined #imperialconflict [11:29] <Genesis> no advertising [11:29] * Deception has joined #imperialconflict [11:30] <Genesis> community going chaotic, because it's always the same ppl [11:30] <Genesis> we need to give it a new go, or else it wont last much longer [11:30] <Genesis> the game needs you to be available [11:30] * Arocalex has left #imperialconflict [11:31] <Genesis> can you be more available [11:31] <Genesis> and willing [11:31] <Genesis> and committed [11:31] <Genesis> ? [11:32] * Pitbull has joined #imperialconflict [11:32] * IC_Death has left #imperialconflict [11:32] * Arocalex has joined #imperialconflict [11:32] <Genesis> oooooooooh Stefan. [11:32] <Stefan> I can certainly be a bit more active, though I doubt I'll ever go back to the hectic days when the game was first released. It was like another job back then. :) [11:33] * Wendy sets mode: +v GeneralSkulls [11:33] <Genesis> hehe sure, no one is askign you to be behind the screen 24/7 :P [11:33] <Wendy> GeneralSkulls feel free to talk [11:33] <GeneralSkulls> i do agree that advertising will help, but i think the problem is more in keeping the peeps we do get which we are poorly doing a jopb of that [11:34] * Amok has left #imperialconflict [11:34] <GeneralSkulls> i think that the reason for that is the increased agression and early wars [11:34] <KT> and alot of reasons our ppl leave is cuz of lack of honor.. they get tired of being farmed.. etc [11:35] <GeneralSkulls> we used to have peace time, now there is none, and new people get farmed and dont return [11:35] <GeneralSkulls> and that hurts the community when we loose them [11:35] <KT> but we need to stick to the advertising topic to help bring in more ppl [11:36] <GeneralSkulls> yes yes, sorry... advertising is sooo expensive tho... without new players to buy vips we are very limited to the advertising that can happen [11:36] <KT> its up to the community of what they are will to do to help keep them along with the mods and stefan [11:37] <KT> so back to advertising.. Stefan can you look in to seeing what it would cost to put IC on google and if there are funds for doing it? [11:37] <GeneralSkulls> i looked into advertising once for my company on sites like google and ebay, and found them to be more expensive than i thought... about 20+ dollars a day [11:37] * Proxy|AWAY has left #imperialconflict [11:38] <Genesis> to be honest, i think farming is a false question [11:38] <Stefan> KT: will do [11:38] * Blizzard has joined #imperialconflict [11:38] <Genesis> it has consequences ingame [11:38] <Genesis> but the real reason ic loses players [11:38] <Genesis> is because of wow-like games [11:39] <Genesis> 7 years ago IC was hot [11:39] <Genesis> now it's just another text based game [11:39] <KT> yes more online games coming out.. its tough competition [11:39] <Genesis> that is why we need to improve, from the inside out [11:39] * Pitbull has left #imperialconflict [11:40] <Genesis> and not linger around waiting for things to improve by miracle [11:40] <GeneralSkulls> yes, people play games they are good at/win at. and when your first round you get horribly hosed, you are gonna leave for those other games. [11:40] <GeneralSkulls> adn with so many to choose from now, it makes making the switch easier [11:41] <Genesis> you're saying new players dont get killed when they first play wow? [11:41] <KT> Poki has some ideas on the advertizing [11:41] * KT sets mode: +v Poki [11:41] <GeneralSkulls> no, i am not, then again i also havnt played wow [11:41] * KT sets mode: -v Ben [11:41] * Valenka has joined #imperialconflict [11:41] <Poki> i think we could add something to the imperialconflict page [11:42] <Poki> add players that say they are satisfy with the game and put their pictures there [11:42] <Poki> that could actually attract new players or internet surfers [11:43] <Poki> with the website being all black and all information [11:43] <Poki> internet surfers might not be getting enough information about the games [11:43] * Apollo has joined #imperialconflict [11:43] <KT> so when they google it.. they can see the players that are happy with our game? [11:44] <Poki> sort of [11:44] <GeneralSkulls> the player could also maybe write a paragraph or two with there experiences of the game to encourage people to join [11:44] <Poki> no one know how fun is this game is [11:44] <Poki> if they never join it [11:44] <KT> stefan.. do you have any other ideas on how to advertise IC? [11:44] <KT> that is true poki [11:44] * rodent has left #imperialconflict [11:45] <Poki> so we need attract them on first sight and differentiate ourselves from other games [11:45] <Stefan> Poki's idea sounds good. would it be pure advertising or more of an album of IC players? [11:46] <GeneralSkulls> maybe keep it short [11:46] <Poki> no, it would be more to advertise our game [11:46] * PP_ has left #imperialconflict [11:46] <Poki> yea [11:46] <Wendy> the latter we already have, altho independant of ic [11:46] <KT> well happy customers will always bring in more [11:46] * Wendy sets mode: +v Jaguar [11:46] <Jaguar> First of all, where do the current banner ads on IC pages come from? I can't see the ads, probably because I'm a VIP [11:46] <Wendy> one more who wants to dd to this [11:46] <Wendy> then we move on [11:46] <Poki> yea, they will spread the news and ask their friend to join [11:46] * Pitbull has joined #imperialconflict [11:47] <Jaguar> If you're not already displaying google ads, I highly recommend signing up with them, as it will bring a higher cashflow in through banner ads than anything else, guaranteed. [11:47] <Poki> i am ic player from malaysia, and none of my friend knows this game [11:47] <Stefan> Jaguar: the current ads are from Google [11:47] <Wendy> they are google ads [11:47] <Wendy> well ones i see anyway [11:47] <Jaguar> Okay, another thing about the MPOGD like sites [11:48] <Jaguar> It can only go so far having our name up the top, we need to also have a kickass paragraph describing IC and why its so good [11:48] <Jaguar> so when people see it, they are attracted to sign up straight away [11:48] <Poki> it is more to sell , but nothing that doesnt need advertising [11:48] <KT> also Ebay might be a place to advertise as suggested by Gimmix [11:48] * Abandoned has left #imperialconflict [11:49] * Eltara has joined #imperialconflict [11:49] <GeneralSkulls> how do you advertise on ebay without selling anything? [11:49] <Poki> pop up ads? [11:49] <Poki> or banner? [11:49] <Jaguar> Advertising is also quite viable if you can manage to buy adspace on google for cheap, which is possible sometimes if you are constantly monitoring their rates [11:49] <Wendy> ok i thikn we covered most of this :) [11:49] <Wendy> time to move on [11:49] <KT> Stefan said he will check into google ads [11:49] <Jaguar> (They change like every hour) [11:50] * Wendy sets mode: -v GeneralSkulls [11:50] * Wendy sets mode: -v Poki [11:50] <Wendy> lets do randoming v's drafting... [11:50] * Cestan has joined #imperialconflict [11:50] <Wendy> please pm if u wanna kick this off [11:50] * Wendy sets mode: -v Jaguar [11:51] * Wendy sets mode: +v Bosh [11:51] <Wendy> over to bosh [11:51] <Bosh> ok, As this round in MW was a trial [11:51] <Bosh> I think that it would be best if it returned to the old way of working [11:52] * Wendy sets mode: +v TNT [11:52] <Wendy> how do u mean Bosh? [11:52] <Bosh> The only reason i have to buy a VIP is so that I can have a friend join my family [11:52] <Wendy> back to drafting? [11:52] <Bosh> not because I honestly and really want perks like Yama [11:52] <Wendy> you can still have that tho [11:53] <Wendy> in mw [11:53] <Wendy> u can actively use your vip there [11:53] <Wendy> u still get your map freatures [11:53] * Stuff has left #imperialconflict [11:53] <Bosh> Drafting? I was told as of 2 days ago, we dont know if next round will have drafting [11:53] <TNT> What makes IC great that it is a family based game. That means people need to cooperate. You need a core of players who stick together. SO I think 3-4 drafts are needed but not more. It takes to much to train a new family on your own. But one gall should be random maybee but not all [11:54] <Bosh> I agree with TNT [11:54] <Genesis> when you didnt have any kind of drafting, you had to work with whoever landed in your fam. with the reshffles, you got to know hundreds of people [11:54] <Genesis> with drafting, you get a set core of players who alway splay the same way, with the same people [11:54] <Wendy> indeed [11:54] <Bosh> and quite frankly, trying to a lead a family you dont know is hard, and not something people want to deal with over and over again [11:55] <Wendy> most ppl in mw have enjoyed the no draft round [11:55] <Genesis> most of the community doesnt know more than 20 ppl, as an individual [11:55] <Genesis> atm [11:55] * STB has joined #imperialconflict [11:55] <Wendy> i believe it will be staying this way for the next round also [11:55] <TNT> Me for example would not have the time to build a whole family alone again if I did not had 2-3 others to help me with. Several of the old boys feel the same [11:55] <Bosh> yes [11:55] <TNT> I like the reshuffels [11:55] <Bosh> that is what i am getting at also [11:55] <TNT> once in a while [11:56] <TNT> but to get people to stay and play they need to feel they are part of a family [11:56] <TNT> that is easier done when you have a core already but not to big of a core so not more then 3-4 players [11:56] <TNT> so lots of new players get to know each other all the time [11:57] <Bosh> and with 15 people in a family, i dont think it really kills any facet of the idea of new family members [11:57] <Genesis> i think the current display of mw random and andro draft is not bad [11:57] * Wendy sets mode: +v Talic [11:57] <Wendy> Talic is adding [11:57] <Genesis> plus you have sd and draco [11:57] <Genesis> which are drafting galaxies [11:57] <Talic> i'll just copy/paste :p [11:58] <Talic> <Talic> TNT says it's impossible to build a fam on ur own [11:58] <Talic> <Talic> true that [11:58] <Talic> <Talic> but if random, there will always be one or two other players with a lot of experience [11:58] <Talic> <Talic> it's been like that in most fams [11:58] <Talic> <Talic> so what TNT is saying is true in part, but doesn't need drafting to solve [11:58] <Talic> <Talic> just needs u to work with experienced people ou don't know [11:58] <Talic> I've experienced that this round in MW that most fams had 2 or 3 players with a lot of experience at leading [11:58] <Talic> or building fams [11:58] <TNT> I have done that in the old times Talic but its takes a lot of time :P [11:58] <TNT> and I dont have that anymore like other players as well. [11:59] <Bosh> and to build a new family every round, is more aggrivation than it is fun, imo [11:59] <Talic> yes I know it takes time, unless you can delegate a bit between the more experienced ones (at least that's what I'm trying to point out) [11:59] <Talic> I did it this round, and it worked [11:59] <TNT> The good families are build around a few players who use a lot of time [11:59] <Talic> and I was barely active [11:59] <Genesis> tnt when there was no drafting you didnt do everything on your own either [11:59] <Wendy> you won't build a new fam every round tho Bosh [11:59] <Wendy> since u can stay with the current fam for next round [11:59] <Wendy> it's not being shuffled [11:59] <TNT> Most people dont mind in training others if they are not alone in it. Thats why 2-3 drafts [12:00] <Wendy> & the stay in fam option is there [12:00] <Talic> I do have to add that TNT has a major pointabout families staying together, the feel of being part of a family really adds an extra dimlension to this game and must be encouraged big time [12:00] <Wendy> so you get a few rounds to get to know your family [12:00] <Bosh> I was mainly talking about the idea people have about it being a constant reshuffle galaxy [12:00] <Talic> TNT, if all is random, there are erhaps 100 players in the galaxy that have trained others as well, you're bound to drop in a fam together with one or two of those other players, you really wouldn't have to do it all on your own [12:00] <TNT> If the game gets more balanced in a way so big fams wont have an easy time farming smaller fams less reshuffels would be needed as well [12:00] <Bosh> with no drafting. That is in the forums a lot [12:00] <Talic> howeer 2 drafts wouldn't be that bad [12:01] <TNT> as no fam would doninate completly [12:01] * BUBONIC has joined #imperialconflict [12:01] <Wendy> what is in the forums isn't always true unless posted by a mod Bosh [12:01] <Wendy> ;) [12:01] <KT> 2 drafts or a vip and a draft? [12:02] <TNT> THe number is not important as long it is not to big [12:02] <Talic> might as well have 1 vip and 1 draft, just encourage buying vips and to encourage stefan to put some more into advertising [12:03] <TNT> And to have the draft options will give more revenue to the game [12:03] <KT> so you are wanting a minute number of vip/drafts back in mw? to have experience and coordination to help get the family going? [12:03] <TNT> yea [12:03] <Bosh> yes [12:03] <TNT> I personally would not invest lots of time in a family again unless I could take with me 2-3 players [12:03] <Talic> though not more than 2 drafts (means three friends in same fam) if current fam sizes are kept [12:03] <TNT> yea [12:04] <KT> yup one random the other vip/draft [12:04] <TNT> that should do it [12:04] <Talic> between rounds however there would have to be a mechanism to stop players from drafting into a fam the first two days registration opens, to allow the drafts from the round before to join up [12:05] <TNT> yes [12:05] <Talic> with only 30 fams and 3 friends per fam, there's gonna be some competition between players to get into a fam with their drafts [12:05] <Talic> so especially between rounds this would have to be taken into account [12:05] * Valenka has left #imperialconflict [12:06] <KT> we have discussed the possibility of passwording andro to stop unwanted vips/drafts as there were issues this round if we keep andry as that only vip/drafting galaxy [12:06] <KT> andro* [12:06] <Talic> and personally I would disallow players from deleting during the round and randomming back into mw, just to constraint illegal drafting and to have players realize deleting will remove them from the round entirely [12:07] <TNT> I agree [12:07] <Bosh> that would also discourage spying [12:07] <Bosh> good idea [12:07] <Bosh> i know a couple fams had that problem this round [12:07] <Talic> people really would have to play with what they got [12:08] <Talic> or at least put a 2 weeks limit before being able to rejoin (you might always go inactive for some unrelated reason, and get kicked from your fam because of that) [12:08] * Arnor has joined #imperialconflict [12:08] <Wendy> hmmm [12:09] <Wendy> i think we moved away from drafting v's random [12:09] * Talic nods [12:09] <Talic> I'll crawl back to my corner now :p [12:09] * Ixi|food has joined #imperialconflict [12:10] <Wendy> right if anyone has a relevant, burning question that needs to be adressed by stefan [12:10] <Wendy> then please pm a mod now [12:10] * Ixi|food has left #imperialconflict [12:10] * Wendy sets mode: -v Bosh [12:10] <Talic> Stefan, what do you think of the concept of a rodent farm to fund IC? [12:10] <Wendy> Talic [12:10] <Wendy> serious ones aye [12:11] * Wendy sets mode: -v Talic [12:11] <Genesis> lol [12:11] <Genesis> i just want to know what he thinks can be done to help IC [12:11] <Stefan> Talic: been running one since 2002 [12:11] <Genesis> suggestions from the admin [12:11] <Genesis> would like input from you Stefan [12:11] <Genesis> your views and ideas [12:12] * Pitbull has left #imperialconflict [12:12] <Genesis> the players can debate and come up with their own solutions, but an idea from you would be good too [12:13] <Genesis> not on the size of galaxies or how many players per fam [12:13] <Genesis> but more relevant issues [12:13] <Genesis> what is the plan, big man? [12:13] <Stefan> as I said earlier, I don't really have any clear ideas for the game. I do come up with ones now and then though. [12:13] * STB has left #imperialconflict [12:13] <Stefan> omg - Lewis Hamilton is out of the race [12:13] <TNT> I got a question. In antoher game I have played they had hardcore weekends. Ticks every minute. Would that be possible Stefan? For example on another server where you could have virgo as well with the same tick speed. [12:13] * Grace_Kelly has left #imperialconflict [12:13] <Genesis> no shit [12:14] * Masse has left #imperialconflict [12:14] <Stefan> TNT: that would be possible, yes [12:14] <Genesis> too much pressure on the rookie :P [12:15] <Genesis> poor lewie [12:15] <TNT> I think that would be fun from time to time to have a weekend like that [12:15] <TNT> once a month or every 2 months [12:15] <TNT> for VIPs only [12:15] * Wendy sets mode: +v slifty [12:15] <Genesis> Stefan could virgo work on faster ticks? [12:15] <Wendy> slifty has something [12:15] * mike_sleep has joined #imperialconflict [12:15] <slifty> yay! [12:16] <Stefan> Genesis: yes, and I believe someone else suggested it recently. a mod, even. [12:16] <Genesis> 10 an hour or so. it would cause newer players to be more excited [12:16] <Genesis> and more active [12:16] <slifty> Stefan, a long while ago you guys did private galaxies - the ability to create a galaxy that only you and your friends would play in [12:16] * ZichtOpZee has joined #imperialconflict [12:16] <Genesis> the concern with virgo is it cant stay the way it is [12:16] <slifty> if I recall, that died because it was TOO successful [12:16] <Genesis> as it is stopping new players from playing, basically out of boredom [12:16] * calledor has left #imperialconflict [12:17] * Oziris has joined #imperialconflict [12:17] <slifty> why don't you work on bringing that back? It would be novel, set IC apart from the crowd, and offer a really fun way of interacting with the communities you are a part of [12:17] * Blizzard has left #imperialconflict [12:17] <Genesis> yes, the server couldnt handle it slifty :P [12:17] <Genesis> problem was too many galaxies were created [12:17] <slifty> if coding is the issue, I'm sure people would help, but from what I can tell that is exactly the kind of 'breth of new life' that IC needs [12:18] <slifty> *breath [12:18] <Genesis> yea actually [12:18] <Genesis> a question many ppl ask is [12:18] <Genesis> if Stefan cant be too active, why doesnt he let someone help with the coding? [12:18] <Stefan> slifty: that could be an idea, yes [12:18] * BUBONIC has left #imperialconflict [12:18] <Genesis> you have no one you can resort to, Stefan? [12:19] <Genesis> apart from mastermike [12:19] <Genesis> who doesnt seem too interested, i gather [12:19] <slifty> well it is an idea:P but i'm just curious as to why it hasn't been pursued. You're the one who came up with it, not me! [12:19] <slifty> I just think its a really good one [12:19] * Nykolas has joined #imperialconflict [12:19] * doomer has joined #imperialconflict [12:20] <Stefan> Genesis: not really [12:20] <slifty> anyway, I just wanted to bring that up/throw it into the mix of ideas, since we're looking for ways to differentiate IC from other text based games. [12:20] * Pitbull has joined #imperialconflict [12:21] <Genesis> yes i agree slifty [12:21] <Genesis> could custom gals come back, Stefan? [12:21] * Sagittarius has joined #imperialconflict [12:21] <Genesis> up to a certain count perhaps, 3, 4, 5...? [12:21] <Stefan> Genesis: yes they could. we will have to look into it. [12:21] <slifty> okey dokey:) [12:22] <Stefan> the server is utterly bored atm anyway [12:22] <KT> hmm then we need to make it unbored :] [12:23] <Genesis> what about the recent downtimes, are we to expect more of those? [12:23] <slifty> I also wanted to bring up a symptopm, not a cause. #general seems to be getting pretty... well... dead:P [12:23] <slifty> I was wondering if it would be possible to do a little more emphasis on the fact that we have an irc chat available [12:23] <Wendy> well tyahts up to the chatters aye slifty [12:24] <Stefan> I hope not. the issue is with our ISP. they are very cheap (free) since I work there, hence why I keep it there. [12:24] <Wendy> u can't force ppl to type!!! [12:24] * Apollo has left #imperialconflict [12:24] <slifty> it isn't dying because of the people that are in there, its because of the people that ARENT in there [12:24] <slifty> nobody is spamming, nobody is abusing their oppership [12:24] <slifty> but not enough active players seem to be joining [12:25] <slifty> Talic suggests adding a tutorial to the game which emphasizes the chat a bit more [12:26] * TNT is now known as TNT_eating [12:26] <slifty> I only bring it up because I feel that the chat is a major part of what brings the community together, it is a different dynamic [12:26] <Wendy> most tutors do cover how to use mirc tho slifty [12:26] <Wendy> as far as i am aware [12:27] <Wendy> which is more than i got when i started playing, i had to figure it our for myself [12:27] <Wendy> *out [12:27] <slifty> i was just talking for Talic there, so I can't comment too much, but I suspect that covering it and emphasizing it are different things [12:28] <Genesis> Stefan, back on the coding issue, if you dont mind. our beloved mods often say are helpless without you, and you are obviously not available 24/7 [12:28] <Wendy> but how do you really go about emphasing something on a text based game otyher than using text to emphasise it? [12:28] * Apollo has joined #imperialconflict [12:29] <Genesis> simple question: will you ever release or share IC's source code, either in whole or part? [12:29] <Stefan> Genesis: no [12:29] * Serenity has joined #imperialconflict [12:29] <Genesis> didnt think you would [12:30] <Genesis> you had a few offers over the years [12:30] <Genesis> and always rejected them [12:30] <Genesis> correct? [12:30] <Stefan> yep [12:31] <Genesis> with that being said, the issue remains that the game *desperately* needs more admin activity [12:31] <Genesis> to promote, innovate [12:31] <Genesis> it's up to you to answer the comminuty's wishes [12:31] <Stefan> well actually we did sell IC at one point, in 2001, but got it back 6 months later when the firm who purchased it (and us) went bancrupt. our fee has little to do with that though, sadly. :) [12:32] <Genesis> yea, you bought it back for 1$ right? :P [12:32] <Stefan> yes [12:32] <Genesis> good deal :P [12:33] <slifty> well, it seems that the issue comes down to what will actually be done [12:33] <Genesis> yes, it does [12:33] <slifty> we have thrown out plenty of ideas, and looking into them is great [12:33] <slifty> but implementing any of them WILL take time and WILL take effort [12:34] <slifty> it is understandable that you don't want to put that time and effort out, heck, I know what it feels like to try to run a side project and the equivalent of a full time job [12:34] <slifty> but the fact is that you have a community of people around the world who have stake in this game, and would love to help lighten that burden [12:34] <slifty> not because they want to steal your code or your ideas [12:34] <slifty> but because they care about the community that YOU created [12:35] <Genesis> basically we yell and moan because we care [12:35] <slifty> of course, it is your decision as to whether or not this game continues to grow mold and die, and whether #general follows its downward spiral (it had 17 people in it last night) [12:35] <Genesis> it would pain us as much as you to see the game die [12:35] <slifty> no, it would pain us much more than you to see the game die;) [12:36] <Genesis> hehe well, in perspective it would [12:36] * Poki has left #imperialconflict [12:36] <KT> Stefan has already stated he does not want to see the game die [12:36] * mike_sleep has left #imperialconflict [12:37] <Genesis> was that a bot answer KT? :P [12:37] <slifty> hehe [12:37] <slifty> good [12:37] * Wendy changes topic to 'PM KT|Evilsheep_naked if you have an idea or suggestion to the topic we are discussing. Stefan will join soon.�' [12:37] <slifty> i'm not debating that fact [12:37] <KT> i am not a bot X( [12:37] * Retrieving #imperialconflict modes... [12:37] <slifty> but with that assumption held true, he needs to make a choice [12:37] <Genesis> we know he doesnt want the game to die [12:37] <Genesis> but we need him to come forward and help [12:37] * Bahamut has left #imperialconflict [12:38] <Genesis> because in essence it's all about him being willing or not [12:38] <slifty> 1) dedicate more time to adding new features, pulling new players, and innovating in the way that he did so many years ago (which led IC to its success) [12:38] <Genesis> everything else is besides the point [12:38] <slifty> 2) get someone to help him do all those things. which of course involves trust but less work [12:38] <slifty> 3) watch things die and feel shitty about it [12:39] * KT sets mode: -v TNT_eating [12:39] <slifty> those are pretty much the cards on the table, although maybe there are a few more that i'm not seeing, so make sure you go into the situation being aware of them [12:39] <Genesis> that sums it up rather well [12:40] * Humidity has joined #imperialconflict [12:40] * evilsheep_Naked sets mode: +v OrBit [12:41] <evilsheep_Naked> i guess OrBit has something to add... [12:41] <slifty> so, the next question for stefan is - what now (and "looking into it" will only last you so long before it is simply picking option #3) [12:41] <KT> Jag has something to add [12:41] * KT sets mode: +v Jaguar [12:41] <Jaguar> Theres another option, Stefan can hire programmer(s) to work on IC if he doesnt have the time. Confidentiality agreements can be signed so the code remains under his ownership [12:41] <slifty> good call [12:41] <Jaguar> The only downside is, it will cost a few bucks [12:42] <Jaguar> Confidentiality agreements are very common practice in the software industry [12:42] <slifty> sure, but it is definitely an option there [12:42] <OrBit> Stefan, please can you tell us why we should continue paying for this game when you arnt really that bothered about where it goes? [12:42] <evilsheep_Naked> he is bothered about where it goes though [12:42] <OrBit> It's a good addictive game thats needs a few tweaks, but it seems you have given up on it along time ago. [12:42] <slifty> OrBit - he's here isn't he:/? [12:42] <Jaguar> It would be like an investment, improving the game now will bring more money into it in the future [12:42] <OrBit> once in what 4 years? [12:42] <OrBit> its not good enough [12:43] <Stefan> OrBit: that is really only up to you, whether you think it is worth it or not [12:43] <slifty> sure, and i'm partially disagreeing with you now because i can see stefan saying "i've had enough of people saying I don't care" and storming off:P [12:43] * KT sets mode: -v Jaguar [12:43] <OrBit> i love this game, so do many others. if u can get the players in, im sure it could get back on its feet [12:44] <KT> we will be moving on to the next topic [12:44] <slifty> all righty;) [12:44] * slifty poings away as his voice dissapears [12:44] <slifty> nice talking to you stefan, although i don't know if you listened. [12:44] * KT sets mode: -v slifty [12:44] * KT sets mode: -v OrBit [12:45] <KT> next topic is Length of rounds [12:45] * The_Unknown has left #imperialconflict [12:45] <KT> PM sheep or me [12:46] <evilsheep_Naked> anyone? =P [12:46] <KT> no one wants to talk? [12:46] * evilsheep_Naked sets mode: +v OrBit [12:46] <OrBit> woot [12:46] <Wendy> i think it's been covered mostly & since mods are actively working on that [12:46] <evilsheep_Naked> kk OrBit.. but make sure you stay on topic [12:46] * KT sets mode: +v Archangel [12:46] <Archangel> win [12:46] <evilsheep_Naked> if not then you will be devoiced [12:46] <OrBit> yeah, i wont tell anyone u love men sheep ;) [12:46] <OrBit> ok [12:46] <OrBit> rounds [12:46] <OrBit> too long [12:46] <Archangel> agreed [12:46] <evilsheep_Naked> =P [12:47] <Archangel> 2.5months is far too long [12:47] * Humidity has left #imperialconflict [12:47] <OrBit> 2 months i reckon [12:47] <Archangel> round length shud vary in each galaxy imo [12:47] <Archangel> depending on the other factors [12:47] <Wendy> which is already being put in place [12:47] * mike_sleep has joined #imperialconflict [12:47] <Wendy> hence andro being 8 weeks [12:47] <Archangel> andro with vip spots is gna move faster than mw [12:47] * KT sets mode: +v slifty [12:47] * Pitbull has left #imperialconflict [12:47] <Archangel> but ye as wendy said [12:47] <slifty> well, I was going to say that i wouldn't want things to be TOO much shorter than 2.5 months, but then you said 2 months which seems fair [12:48] <Archangel> i dont think this needs alot of dicussing becos we are already moving in the right direction [12:48] <Wendy> uhuh [12:48] <slifty> so, in the end, I agree with you guys. but be careful of making it too short [12:48] <slifty> length means you get to know your family a lot better [12:48] <slifty> so, yeah, that's that [12:48] <Wendy> indeed [12:49] <OrBit> depends really on how the rounds is progressing [12:49] <Wendy> i thikn 2 months is perfect right now [12:49] <OrBit> somtimes its manic [12:49] <OrBit> someones its over in a month [12:49] <Wendy> since u can get to 6 weeks into a round & by then u notice the actively start slacking off greatly in majority of glas at this point [12:49] <Wendy> *activity [12:49] <Wendy> *gals [12:49] <OrBit> i spank my family if they get inactive [12:50] <OrBit> so doesnt really matter [12:50] <Archangel> actually that might be an idea [12:50] * Apollo has left #imperialconflict [12:50] * calledor has joined #imperialconflict [12:50] <Archangel> although its sort of implemented already [12:50] <OrBit> unless [12:50] <Archangel> have a mod monitoring how things go and choose when to end it [12:50] <OrBit> mods didnt set an end date [12:50] <Archangel> but set a final end date at the SOR ofc [12:50] <Archangel> nah i disagree then [12:50] <OrBit> and just kinda assesed the round and decide when it should end [12:50] <OrBit> whether shorter longer or normal? [12:50] <Archangel> imo that shud be gd [12:52] <KT> well when ppl tell us that the round is over we can check it.. but to constantly monitor it is hard.. we dont know who is allied to whom [12:52] * Shadows has joined #imperialconflict [12:52] <Archangel> well [12:52] <OrBit> yeh it would be hard to monitor, and could be a bit biased [12:52] <KT> and who is pnapped to whom [12:52] <KT> altho it seems pnaps are not what they used to be [12:52] <Archangel> that shud be the exception to a mod not doing anything about his own galaxy [12:53] <Archangel> a mod who is in mw shud be able to say 'it shud end soon, becos blablabla' [12:53] <Genesis> brb [12:53] <Archangel> and if it justified then end it [12:53] <Archangel> although maybe u shud check to see wot is happening to that mod's family:P [12:53] <KT> sagi wants to speak i need to devoice one of you [12:54] <OrBit> didnt know mods knew how to play ic? :P [12:54] <evilsheep_Naked> i dont think that should happen because they have a biased view of whats going on around them [12:54] <Archangel> devoice me [12:54] <Stefan> an idea could be to put up a galactic vote on it [12:54] <OrBit> devoice archangel [12:54] <OrBit> :P [12:54] <Archangel> lol [12:54] * KT sets mode: -v slifty [12:54] <Archangel> ha! [12:54] * justas2 has joined #imperialconflict [12:54] <OrBit> :D [12:54] * KT sets mode: +v Sagittarius [12:54] * juuustaaas has left #imperialconflict [12:54] <Sagittarius> ...what I want to say is that basically: We keep trying to put a finite amount on how long a round should last. This I do not believe would be a good idea and we should make the round length proportionate to the number of people and the size of the galaxy. [12:54] <Wendy> [17:53:56] (@Stefan): an idea could be to put up a galactic vote on it< fix voting/polls then Stefan [12:54] <Sagittarius> bigger maps and more players = longer rounds [12:54] <Wendy> then we could [12:54] <Sagittarius> smaller maps and fewer players = shorter rounds [12:55] <Archangel> but [12:55] <Archangel> its not about the player numbers [12:55] <Sagittarius> rounds length shouldn't be determined absolutely until a day before sor [12:55] <Archangel> but the active player numbers [12:55] * calledor has left #imperialconflict [12:55] <Archangel> if a ton of inactive newbies and a few vet fams play like wot used to happen at the end of tri (was fun though:P) [12:56] <Archangel> then that isnt the same as 50/50 newbies and active ppl [12:56] <Sagittarius> ...see, I didn't mind that [12:56] <Archangel> nono i liked it too:P [12:56] <Sagittarius> ...there was a lot to do b/c there were a lot of people regardless of activity [12:56] <Archangel> but the rounds were probably too long still [12:56] <Sagittarius> mmm...maybe [12:56] <Sagittarius> :P [12:56] <Archangel> there wasnt alot to do [12:56] <Archangel> we had 2 top tri alliances [12:56] <KT> andro became active after a decision to stop it early without a giving time of day [12:56] <Archangel> so there was only 2 big war:P [12:57] <Sagittarius> I always found soemthing to do [12:57] <Archangel> ye that was weird KT [12:57] <Sagittarius> ...yes, but back then [12:57] <Sagittarius> b/c of the length [12:57] <Archangel> *1 big war [12:57] <Sagittarius> smaller families would still have a crack b/c they could save a while and then war [12:57] <Sagittarius> ...back when smaller families had some skill in them anyway [12:57] <KT> hobo wants to contribute [12:57] <Sagittarius> b/c there were more players and a greater ratio [12:57] * KT sets mode: -v OrBit [12:57] * KT sets mode: +v DrHobo [12:57] <Archangel> lose orbit! [12:57] <Archangel> :P [12:58] <KT> he hasnt said anything for a bit so thats why i picked him [12:58] <KT> he can always pm if he wants to speak again [12:58] <Archangel> fiair [12:58] <Archangel> *Fair [12:58] <Sagittarius> I do like the 2 month thing though [12:58] * Nykolas has left #imperialconflict [12:58] <Sagittarius> that will work a bit [12:58] <Sagittarius> until more or less people play [12:58] <Sagittarius> then it may have to be tweaked again [12:58] <Sagittarius> but for now the sweet spot seems 2 mos [12:59] <Archangel> well we dont know that yet [12:59] <DrHobo> woo :P [12:59] <Archangel> this andro round is the first to start with an end date of 2 months ltr [12:59] <Archangel> ppl might play differently [12:59] <DrHobo> uhhmm well like last round andro proved people need the presure of time to act [12:59] <Archangel> and it might be over even sooner:P [12:59] <Archangel> neway [12:59] <DrHobo> last round people suddenly heared the round would end in a week and every top 10 fam started to war eachother [12:59] <Archangel> i think we shud move on:P [13:00] <KT> ok if you guyz noticed we have shortened rounds, made families smaller and the galaxies.. im getting the consensis you all like shorter rounds and with the possibility of ending sooner than stated [13:00] <Archangel> ya [13:00] <Archangel> next topic! [13:00] * mmx has joined #imperialconflict [13:00] <Sagittarius> so, make a length [13:00] <Sagittarius> and if it appears too long [13:00] <Sagittarius> declare a week in advance eor is coming up [13:01] <KT> ok all good suggestions [13:01] <Sagittarius> next? [13:01] <DrHobo> it might even be an idea to not set an EoR date at all [13:02] <Archangel> no i dont like that [13:02] <Sagittarius> mmm... [13:02] <Sagittarius> yeah [13:02] <DrHobo> just annouce an EoR date when the round seems to be over or fams are doing nothing :P [13:02] <Sagittarius> we need a time frame simple to gauge our plans of action [13:02] <Archangel> becos then there is always sum1 who will say ' we're doing this so u cant end it yet' [13:02] <Sagittarius> simply* [13:02] <Archangel> and if u ignored one person but not another that wouldnt be fair [13:02] <KT> i think giving a date but not a time was exciting in andro [13:02] <Archangel> so there needs to be a preset end date for the latest it can end [13:02] <Archangel> lol [13:03] <KT> altho i dont think there is anything wrong with EOR jumps either [13:03] <KT> ok [13:03] <KT> on to the next [13:03] <DrHobo> but the saving 2 weeks before the EoR makes the gal boring [13:03] * KT sets mode: -vvv Archangel DrHobo Sagittarius [13:04] <KT> Forum rules [13:05] <Genesis> forum mods [13:05] <Genesis> there is no definition of spam [13:05] * Nykolas has joined #imperialconflict [13:05] <Genesis> they just close whatever they feel like [13:05] <Genesis> and though modst of the times they're right [13:05] <Genesis> it causes alot of controversy [13:05] <KT> ok we have a few speakers coming up [13:05] * evilsheep_Naked sets mode: +v Arnor [13:05] <Arnor> Hurrah [13:06] <Arnor> at last [13:06] * Piggy has joined #imperialconflict [13:06] <Arnor> Genesis: we always give a clear reason when we mod something in the forum [13:06] * Pitbull has joined #imperialconflict [13:06] <Arnor> and we're always within reach [13:06] <KT> please only PM me if you want to talk.. i cant even find the chat hardly :/ [13:07] <Arnor> so, if you want to discuss about a certain decision we're there [13:07] * KT sets mode: +v Deci [13:07] <Deci> i'm rather interested in the reasons for when you don't mod something [13:07] * KT sets mode: +v Talic [13:07] <Deci> what is the purpose of general board? [13:08] <Genesis> there are too many complaints of favoritism and abuse of power, Arnor [13:08] <Deci> is it a discussion board or a board for making threads where everyone posts same things after each other? [13:08] <Talic> one thing I'd like to mention is the fact that sometimes fmods involved in a discussion in a thread, edit other people's posts as well [13:08] * evilsheep_Naked changes topic to 'PM KT if you have an idea or suggestion to the topic we are discussing. Stefan will join soon.�' [13:08] <Talic> they shouldn't be allowed to edit posts in threads they are involved with [13:08] <Talic> especially in uni news [13:08] <Deci> i agree [13:08] <Arnor> I agree with that too [13:08] <Deci> favouritism claims have to be avoided like the plague [13:09] <Talic> i've seen it happen a lot of times in uni news [13:09] <Talic> and perhaps that would also be a reason just to get a few more fmods [13:09] <Genesis> and please, PUNISH ppl who abuse the forums [13:09] <Deci> indeed [13:09] <Genesis> either by swearing, trolling [13:09] * Pitbull has left #imperialconflict [13:09] <Arnor> uhu [13:09] <Genesis> or being general jerks [13:09] <Deci> if spam threads just get closed without even as much a warning [13:09] <Deci> people will keep making them [13:10] <Deci> worse yet, not all of them are closed at all [13:10] <Talic> things Can always be worse [13:10] <Talic> I remember the ectroverse forums where ordos and tu spammed thousands of threads [13:10] <Deci> :p [13:10] <Talic> but ok, that's not relvant here :p [13:11] <Genesis> some people use the forum to cuss, diss other players [13:11] <Deci> right. so everyone agrees forum mods should avoid favouritism claims by not editing threads they are involved in? [13:11] <Genesis> and nothign happens [13:11] <Arnor> And I agree with the fact we might have to look fir new forum mods [13:11] <Deci> or is there an objection to that idea? [13:11] * insomnia has joined #imperialconflict [13:11] <Arnor> not at all Deci [13:11] <Genesis> no objection here, and yes Arnor [13:11] <evilsheep_Naked> except the obvious cussing and whatnot [13:11] <Genesis> apparently we have to look for a lot of new things [13:12] <Deci> yeah, well. obviously. [13:12] <Deci> mind if we talk a bit about the general board? [13:12] <KT> hobo wants to speak [13:12] <Arnor> the only downside is that people who're not really involved in the game, like me and Eltara, have no idea what most threads are about and tend to make wrong decisions [13:12] * KT sets mode: +v DrHobo [13:13] <Genesis> get informed first [13:13] <Arnor> I've had it a few times with Talic's threads [13:13] <Genesis> cant hurt to ask [13:13] <Arnor> How? [13:13] <Talic> hehe Arnor [13:13] <Deci> heh, that's always the case of whom to believe then :p [13:13] <Talic> well I came to you and talked about it, it got solved most of the time [13:13] <Genesis> use common sense, not everything is black and white Deci [13:13] <Talic> I do like some flexibility in the forums [13:13] <Deci> agreed [13:13] <Talic> yes there are some threads that have to be moved around [13:13] <DrHobo> the only thing that is somewhat wrong at times are the ones enforcing it, calling something spam while letting other spam threads wide open (this happens allot in general) [13:13] <Arnor> a large part of the players aren't to be reached in IRC [13:13] <Deci> yes, thank you, hobo! [13:14] <Arnor> and I can't add them all on MSN [13:14] <Deci> my sentiments exactly [13:14] <Talic> but if an amusing thread, that only loosely has something to do with uni news, ends up in uni news, but is still entertaining, why not let it stay there? [13:14] <DrHobo> there certain players which make allot of spam threads which get rarely closed [13:14] <Talic> to solve hobo's point: more fmods would do the trick [13:14] <Talic> it's a lot of work to mod the forums [13:14] * Sagittarius has left #imperialconflict [13:14] <Arnor> well [13:14] * Zewlz has left #imperialconflict [13:14] <Deci> and lots of threads where only a certian word or phrase is repeated in every message.. i can't see how that is not spam [13:15] <Arnor> I'm not in favour to close threads in general at all [13:15] <Arnor> only those that are truely a pain in the butt [13:15] <Deci> theoretically it is a discussion board, you know :p [13:15] <Deci> not copypaste board [13:15] <Arnor> like the 50th elimination thread [13:15] <Deci> uhuh [13:16] <Deci> elimination: socks of weird colour, and so on [13:16] <DrHobo> or the do somethign to me I am from somewhere around the world threads [13:16] <Deci> yes. [13:16] <Arnor> but for the rest, and I'm sure all the fmods are with me on this, about everything can be in general [13:16] <Deci> is there any bloody reason why they are still open? [13:16] <Deci> the copypaste threads? [13:17] <Arnor> they're edgy [13:17] <Genesis> general shoudl just be renamed spam forum :P [13:17] <Arnor> but they die eventually [13:17] * Talic concurs with Genesis :p [13:17] <Deci> if it's going to be ran like a spam forum, why not? :) [13:17] <DrHobo> yeah true that they die [13:17] <DrHobo> like all spam [13:17] <Deci> kiss me, i'm irish? part 12? dying? [13:18] <Arnor> and it's only 1 thread [13:18] <Deci> that's over 11000 messages with no content whatsoever [13:18] <Deci> if that's not spam, i don't know what is [13:18] <DrHobo> true [13:18] <DrHobo> maby making a seperate spam board is the solution [13:18] <Arnor> no it isn't [13:18] <DrHobo> makes it easier for people like me to filter the interesting threads in general [13:18] <Arnor> it wouldn't be constructive at all [13:18] <Deci> it would bring more work to forum mods deciding which goes where :/ [13:19] <Arnor> and it doesn't have a point [13:19] <Arnor> it would only be a burden to the server anyway [13:19] <DrHobo> like stefan said earlier, the server is bored atm ;) [13:19] <Deci> can't really see how spam in one forum is more burden in another [13:19] <Deci> when it's moved to another, i mean [13:19] <Arnor> yes, but creating a different spamboard would be appealing for all sorts of mischief [13:20] <Arnor> like mass spamming [13:20] <Deci> like? making 11000 identical messages? :) [13:20] <DrHobo> many of the more interesting threads in general get pushed down mainly because they arent as active as those spam threads [13:20] <Talic> lol [13:20] <Talic> I never read general forum [13:20] <Deci> that is true, drhobo [13:20] <Arnor> or posting outlawed things like porn. you'd get no sensble fmod to monitor them [13:20] <DrHobo> and you can always set rules for the spam board [13:20] <Talic> and now that I do, to check o nthe irish thread thing [13:20] <Talic> i'm like [13:20] <KT> ok orbit wants to speak [13:20] <Talic> wtf are people doing with their time [13:20] <Talic> :/ [13:20] <Deci> the thing is, people who actually post interesting things that might incite interesting discussions get pushed down from sight [13:21] * KT sets mode: -v DrHobo [13:21] <Deci> because someone wants to write /me kisses mala [13:21] * maznahbenjy has left #imperialconflict [13:21] * KT sets mode: +v OrBit [13:21] <Arnor> tolerance it the key to happyness Deci [13:21] <Deci> and ignorance is a bliss? [13:21] * freedomguardj has joined #imperialconflict [13:22] <Talic> deci does have a point [13:22] <Arnor> I agree that those threads should be pushed back [13:22] <Deci> i'm not sure why we have to tolerate spamming when the board rules deny it [13:22] <Talic> that irsh thread really doesn't have any point whatsoever [13:22] <Arnor> but a thread or 2 like that don't hurt [13:22] <Deci> so breaking rules doesn't hurt as long as it's done in small to mediocre amounts, not large? [13:22] <Deci> this is new info to me ^^ [13:22] <KT> ok orbit is afk i guess [13:23] * KT sets mode: -v OrBit [13:23] <Arnor> no deci [13:23] <Deci> that's the image you're giving. [13:23] * KT sets mode: +v doomer [13:23] <Arnor> i'm not [13:23] <Deci> you just said a couple of spam threads don't hurt anyone [13:23] <Deci> and spam is not allowed [13:23] <Deci> so what are we supposed to think then? [13:24] <Arnor> I'm trying to give you a general idea of how general's being modded [13:24] <Deci> whim? [13:24] <doomer> Instead of having to read the usual often senseless stuff in forum [13:24] * Oziris has left #imperialconflict [13:24] <doomer> it would be cool to actually have interesting stuff to read [13:24] <Deci> agreed. [13:24] <doomer> i was thinking of reopening a kind of "miniportal" [13:24] <doomer> or a seperate category in forum "articles" [13:25] <doomer> were people can post an article [13:25] <Deci> like stated before, the general board has potential for being actually interesting place for discussion [13:25] <doomer> this could be for example, an interview with the leader of the nr1 fam [13:25] * Amok has joined #imperialconflict [13:25] <doomer> an overview and description of a war [13:25] <doomer> a piece of ic history [13:25] <Arnor> I'm off for lunch [13:25] <Deci> i think there was in the past an ic portal [13:25] <Deci> but it died [13:25] <doomer> yes it died [13:25] * Nacirema has joined #imperialconflict [13:25] * calledor has joined #imperialconflict [13:26] <doomer> but if there are a few motivated people to be on the ic articles them [13:26] <doomer> theme* [13:26] <doomer> or whatever you wanna call it [13:26] <Arnor> and doomer, there have been several attempts for portals, and they all quite died [13:26] <doomer> it could give some interesting stuff to read [13:26] <doomer> i'm not talking about making a seperate link for it like the old portal [13:26] * Arnor is now known as Arnor|food [13:26] <Deci> anyway. i came here wanting to know why spam is occasionally allowed in general board and occasionally not [13:26] <Deci> i did not get an answer [13:26] <doomer> it should have a topic in the forum overview of itself, "articles" [13:26] <Deci> i don't have anything else to add, i may be devoiced now [13:26] <doomer> and it would be closed to anyone except mods like the announcements forum [13:27] <Talic> nothing stops people from posting articles in uni news or community forum, doomer [13:27] <Deci> it's a pity the fmodding the of general board is so hazy. it did have potential :/ [13:27] <KT> orbit wants to add [13:27] <KT> someone has to go :/ [13:27] <Deci> one phrase [13:27] * KT sets mode: -v Arnor|food [13:27] <Deci> zoz volunteers for fmod :p [13:27] <Deci> i can go now [13:27] * KT sets mode: +v OrBit [13:28] <OrBit> woot, that was a fun wait to talk [13:28] <OrBit> anyways [13:28] * KT sets mode: -v doomer [13:28] <OrBit> i dont really like the idea of fmods [13:28] * KT sets mode: +v insomnia [13:28] <evilsheep_Naked> why not? [13:28] <insomnia> hi [13:29] <OrBit> because they are all lazy? [13:29] <evilsheep_Naked> how so? [13:29] <evilsheep_Naked> just because they miss a few things? [13:29] <Deci> they're not lazy. they're just arbitrary. [13:29] <Talic> then you don't like the current fmods, not the concept of fmods :p [13:29] <insomnia> well my question is this [13:29] <OrBit> well, if this is all were gonna get cleaning up the forums, whats the point [13:29] <KT> talic i need to let someone else speak now [13:29] <insomnia> i believe Mods should be paid [13:29] <Talic> what deci says is true, but would be solved if fmods involved in threads don't edit those particular threads [13:29] <Talic> ok KT [13:29] <OrBit> i dont mind a bit of abuse in forums, makes it more fun to read [13:29] <KT> thank you :) [13:30] * KT sets mode: -v Talic [13:30] * KT sets mode: +v Eltara [13:30] <evilsheep_Naked> but not everyone can take abuse [13:30] <insomnia> the is a reason / i believe that the mods take a lot of time out of there RL and should be reimbursed [13:30] <OrBit> well thats their problem? [13:30] <Eltara> Okay.. [13:30] <OrBit> who cares [13:30] <Eltara> It's a bit late, but I'll just reply to Deci. [13:30] <Deci> i'm still here. [13:30] <Eltara> About the spam in General. [13:30] <insomnia> ok sorry [13:31] <OrBit> and like arnor said [13:31] <Eltara> I actually agree with you that they've run out of hand. [13:31] <OrBit> he doesnt play ic really [13:31] <OrBit> so why is he a fmod of ic [13:31] <Eltara> In the beginning we let them be because it was General and it was okay. [13:31] <Eltara> But they ran out of hand. [13:31] <Eltara> And I'm sorry, but I for one have no excuse as to why we don't close them now :p [13:31] <Deci> thank you [13:31] <Deci> your honesty is much appreciated :) [13:32] <Deci> all i ever wanted was equal treatment. if some spam is allowed in general board, then all spam should be allowed [13:32] <Eltara> Well, OrBit, I don't play IC either anymore :p [13:32] <Deci> or it'll turn into a question of where to draw the line. 10 spam thread? 100? [13:32] <Eltara> Am I doing such a bad job then? :p [13:32] <Deci> or if none are allowed, then really none should be allowed. [13:33] <OrBit> its not really a job, more of a very boring hobby [13:33] <Eltara> You know what? I'll talk with the other fmods and the mods about it later. [13:33] <Eltara> (aimed at Deci) [13:33] <Deci> Eltara, can you take this up somewhere? i don't think we really found anyone who disagreed about the general board spam [13:33] <Deci> :D [13:33] <Deci> you're way ahead of me [13:33] <OrBit> can we move onto mods next please :P [13:33] <Deci> though it might be wise not to mention my name. i'm not sure if we have a single moderator who hasnt' blocked me [13:33] <Eltara> Because I agree those "do this, I'm that" threads have gone too far. [13:33] <Deci> right so, i'm spent [13:34] <Deci> KT [13:34] <Deci> devoice me so others can speak [13:34] <KT> ok Bosh wants to speak [13:34] <KT> ok tnx Deci [13:34] <OrBit> like stefan... [13:34] <OrBit> lol [13:34] * KT sets mode: -v Deci [13:34] * KT sets mode: +v Bosh [13:34] <Bosh> Thank you kindly [13:34] <Bosh> I just kinda thought this was getting off topic [13:34] <OrBit> yeh, lets move on to the topic of lazy mods [13:35] <Bosh> like, we are talking about censorship of the forums, not some fundamental part of the game we need Stefan for [13:35] <OrBit> KT, wanna start :P [13:35] <OrBit> idd, its a bit irrelivent [13:35] <Bosh> I was under the impression we were here to talk about things that can improve the game-play [13:35] <insomnia> what about monetary rewards [13:35] <OrBit> forum needs better fmods doing a better fairer job, end of [13:35] <Eltara> So basically you're saying that discussing how the forums need to be run isn't important? [13:35] <Eltara> That's like saying "okay, mods and fmods, your call." [13:36] <Eltara> :p [13:36] <Bosh> Eltara, not that [13:36] <Bosh> lol [13:36] <Eltara> We're giving you the chance to help decide. [13:36] <Bosh> just that there are things that could be done, TO the game, instead of in forums [13:36] <insomnia> i used to fell over one time that mods were over balanced and werent given to fairness i must admit over time i think it was me noot them [13:36] <Bosh> little fixes or inconsistancies [13:36] <Eltara> I'm sorry, but I find the forums just as important :p [13:37] <Eltara> But if we're going to move on, you can devoice me mods :p [13:37] <insomnia> forums are just as importnant [13:37] * calledor has left #imperialconflict [13:37] <Bosh> oh they are important, dont get me wrong [13:37] <insomnia> a lot of new players go to forums its VERY imprtant [13:37] <Bosh> but spam shouldnt be a topic of discussion in such a historical meeting ;P [13:37] <Eltara> Well, then you agree we might as well discuss them? :p [13:37] <Eltara> Yes, it should! [13:37] <Eltara> How we handle spam is a big topic :p [13:37] <Eltara> We get complaints about it all the time. [13:38] <insomnia> i find it great helping new players infact its one reason why i still play this game [13:38] <Eltara> So now you get the chance to tell us what you expect from us. [13:38] <OrBit> we expect a more interesting topic :D [13:38] <Eltara> If you don't, we won't be able to change things the way it's wanted. [13:38] <Eltara> Fine, but don't come complaining afterwards :p [13:38] <OrBit> the forums arnt that bad [13:38] <OrBit> just the players like a good moan [13:38] <Bosh> thats what we go to general for Eltara [13:38] <Bosh> haha [13:38] <insomnia> spam should be stopped [13:39] <Wendy> u got it in one OrBit [13:39] <Wendy> :P [13:39] <insomnia> what more needs to be said ??? [13:39] <insomnia> ah i see [13:39] * Nacirema has left #imperialconflict [13:39] <insomnia> how do we define spam [13:39] <Eltara> insomnia, the definition of :p [13:39] <OrBit> i dont see much spam, i dont really read general, it full of bollocks [13:39] <Eltara> Where to draw a line. [13:39] <insomnia> yes i see [13:39] <Eltara> What to do. [13:39] * Nacirema has joined #imperialconflict [13:40] <Eltara> Considering the amounts of complaints about it, you should take the chance :p [13:40] <insomnia> yes [13:40] <insomnia> i love a good moan [13:40] <Eltara> Seems only Deci really wanted to though :p [13:40] <insomnia> as you all know [13:40] <Wendy> who doesn't... [13:40] <Wendy> :) [13:40] <insomnia> but how much moaning is spam ? [13:40] <Eltara> Okay, you can devoice me Wendy. [13:40] <Eltara> I'm going to be semi-afk anyway. [13:40] <Eltara> Got stuff to do. [13:41] <insomnia> i bet you say that to all the girls [13:41] <KT> also spam is in the eye of the beholder.. spam to one isnt spam to another [13:41] <OrBit> can we move on please, i think our guest has passed out in the corner [13:41] <KT> fmods are between a rock and a hard place [13:41] <KT> and its a very difficult job for them [13:41] <insomnia> like what i just said that could be considered spam [13:41] * calledor has joined #imperialconflict [13:41] <insomnia> orbit ..... [13:41] <OrBit> yeah? [13:42] <insomnia> you wanted to move on [13:42] <OrBit> yes [13:42] <Bosh> well the what about the smaller ideas we have? [13:42] <KT> hang on :) [13:42] <KT> is there anyone else on forum issues? if not we move on [13:43] <insomnia> hmm i do think that sometimes they can be hard for the new player [13:43] <insomnia> as there is so much duplication [13:43] <OrBit> its not really that hard [13:43] <insomnia> agreed [13:44] <OrBit> ok next :D [13:44] <insomnia> but you are a new player [13:44] * KT sets mode: -v Bosh [13:44] <OrBit> i wish [13:44] * KT sets mode: +v Arocalex [13:44] <insomnia> if you go to certain area say learning strat [13:44] <OrBit> thats what tutors are for? [13:44] <KT> Arocalex go ahead [13:44] <insomnia> anyway i dont think what i would argue bneeds to be said here sorry carry on :s [13:45] <Arocalex> i believe politics needs a seperate f-mod [13:45] <insomnia> politics ? [13:45] <insomnia> you mean diplomatcy [13:45] <insomnia> ? [13:45] <OrBit> it can get pretty heated [13:45] <Arocalex> there is a lot more to read, more is said, and there is spam aswell [13:45] <OrBit> no he means politics [13:45] <Arocalex> for example [13:45] <Arocalex> An Inconvenient Truth Last [13:45] <Arocalex> Al Gore's 'nine Inconvenient Untruths' Last [13:45] <insomnia> erm excuse me [13:45] <Arocalex> the opinions of one could have been placed in the other [13:46] <insomnia> what has this to do with IC ? [13:46] <KT> its part of the forum topic [13:46] <Arocalex> the forums are important aswell [13:46] * Wendy sets mode: -v Eltara [13:46] <OrBit> theres a lot said in politics arocalex, but as far as i see its all pretty opinion based, nothing malicious [13:46] <insomnia> thats crasy [13:46] <insomnia> i feel it is not useful plus or minus to ic [13:47] <Arocalex> there is a lot of clutter in politics, most of the time it just revolves around the same people saying the same things [13:47] <Arocalex> over and over again [13:47] <Arocalex> and moving to another topic after a while [13:47] * mike_sleep has left #imperialconflict [13:48] <OrBit> perhaps if being an fmod had rewards, they might do a better job [13:48] <insomnia> yes [13:48] <Arocalex> all an f-mod needs to do is read the forums [13:48] <insomnia> i believe this is true [13:48] <insomnia> and not 3 months free vip either [13:49] <OrBit> yeah, but most are lazy and just become fmods because they feel they have power over others [13:49] <Arocalex> it isent that hard, the problem is(or can be) that f-mods also play IC [13:49] <insomnia> they should be sacked then [13:49] <OrBit> by who? [13:49] <Arocalex> mods [13:49] <insomnia> and i know some who Orbits might be refering too [13:49] <KT> Naci wants to speak.. i need to devoice one of you [13:49] <Arocalex> the selection of people still isent too fair [13:49] <OrBit> mods recruit their friends [13:49] <insomnia> devoice me then :S [13:49] <OrBit> why would they sack them [13:49] * KT sets mode: -v insomnia [13:50] <KT> thank you [13:50] <Arocalex> for not doing their job [13:50] * KT sets mode: +v Nacirema [13:50] <Nacirema> w00t! [13:50] <Nacirema> l [13:50] <Nacirema> k* [13:50] <Nacirema> ive played this game almost a year now [13:50] * Eltara has left #imperialconflict [13:50] <Nacirema> and ive never once payed attention to what goes on in politics [13:50] <Nacirema> due to everyone has their own opinion [13:50] <OrBit> its educational, read it :P [13:50] <evilsheep_Naked> Arocalex... sack them for not getting every little thing on ic forums? [13:50] * ZichtOpZee has left #imperialconflict [13:50] <Nacirema> and no matter what one thinks some else disagrees with [13:51] <Nacirema> we are all from dif countries [13:51] <OrBit> ofc not evilsheep, but the ones who do nothing... [13:51] <OrBit> is another story [13:51] <Arocalex> not what i said. if their is a consencus that one is not doing his job [13:51] <Primo> as soon as you people start paying me a salary, i'll be committing 100% to the mod job :P [13:51] <Arocalex> not active enough or anything [13:51] <Nacirema> lol [13:51] <Wendy> yeah me to Primo [13:51] <Wendy> oh hang on [13:51] <Nacirema> o you were using that forum as an example? [13:51] <Wendy> i got mug on my forhead [13:51] <Wendy> forget that [13:51] <Primo> let's say a 50k euro a yea, plus bonusses? [13:51] <OrBit> im sure mods get free vip's? [13:51] <Primo> year* [13:51] <OrBit> is that true? [13:51] <Wendy> just like f-mods OrBit [13:52] <Nacirema> id be a mod for free vips :D [13:52] <Primo> oh yes, that's what we pay our food with. [13:52] <Primo> i forgot [13:52] <OrBit> thats 5 pounds [13:52] <OrBit> :P [13:52] <Arocalex> i think an f-mod should also keep the thread to its subject [13:52] <Nacirema> that 10$ [13:52] <Wendy> w00t [13:52] <OrBit> thats 5 shepherds pies at asda [13:52] <Wendy> thats y i have mug on my forehead [13:52] * KT sets mode: +v insomnia [13:52] <Primo> i can see it now, in the supermarket, "alright, that's 20 euro please" - "can i pay with vips?" [13:52] <Nacirema> i think we cant fix forums honestly [13:52] <Wendy> u could make more for less [13:53] <Nacirema> people cant agree on what spam really is [13:53] <Wendy> it again comes down to responsibility of players in some ways & how they choose to conduct themselves [13:53] <Nacirema> to me spam is [13:53] <KT> i dont want to be paid for modding.. i do this cuz i really like this game and i want to help where ever i can [13:53] <Nacirema> hey i just saved money on my car insurance [13:53] <Wendy> we do it cos we care aye KT :) [13:53] <insomnia> Primo raised an important point i believe [13:53] <KT> yup :) [13:53] <OrBit> yeh so do many other active players who dont get the chance to KT [13:53] <Arocalex> it is all subjective and should lie in common sense [13:53] <OrBit> its always inactive bums [13:53] <Nacirema> if some1 has an opinion and those who dont like it want to jump and call it spam [13:54] <Arocalex> if it is about the person self it should be moved to commutety [13:54] <KT> i am not inactive [13:54] <insomnia> jut because you dont want to be paid KT [13:54] <OrBit> didnt say u were [13:54] <OrBit> some are though [13:54] <OrBit> or many [13:54] <insomnia> doesnt mean you shouldnt [13:54] <Nacirema> anything in uni news should be related to the game [13:54] <Nacirema> and most is [13:54] <Nacirema> you get a few random post [13:54] <insomnia> why shouldnt people who have given a lot of their life to IC be paid [13:54] <Nacirema> but they usually get closed quickly [13:54] <insomnia> i see nothing wrong in that i see something very good [13:54] <Arocalex> they chose it insomnia [13:55] <Wendy> cos it's a game insomnia ;) [13:55] <OrBit> brb devoice me plz [13:55] <Arocalex> noone says they will get payed [13:55] <insomnia> so [13:55] <Arocalex> there is no contract [13:55] * Wendy sets mode: -v OrBit [13:55] <insomnia> why not share the wealth Wendy [13:55] <Wendy> anyway i thikn we are getting off track [13:55] * insomnia blows wendy a kiss [13:55] <KT> we will be moving on to the last topic so plz say what you want now [13:55] <insomnia> ok [13:55] <Nacirema> i think people like me who like a game and want people to have would do things like this for free [13:55] <insomnia> yes [13:55] <insomnia> but stefan doesnt do it for free [13:56] <insomnia> nacrema [13:56] <Arocalex> yes he does [13:56] <insomnia> does he [13:56] <insomnia> ahhhhhh [13:56] <insomnia> so all that VIP money comes to ? [13:56] <Arocalex> IC is basicly free [13:56] <Nacirema> i was talking about mods :P [13:56] <Nacirema> id say stefan doesnt make 500$ a year off this game [13:56] <Nacirema> at 1 time he might hae [13:56] <insomnia> well i believe they should be paid for there loyalty to IC [13:56] <Arocalex> vips is just an extra, that users choose to pay for [13:57] <Nacirema> yes [13:57] <insomnia> lol your insane Nacirema [13:57] <Arocalex> you dont need money to be loyal [13:57] <KT> ok on to next topic :) [13:57] <Arocalex> indeed [13:57] <Nacirema> ? [13:57] <insomnia> no [13:57] * Ocean has joined #imperialconflict [13:57] * KT sets mode: -vvv Arocalex insomnia Nacirema [13:57] <KT> Extra-game activities [13:57] <KT> that would include sidebars and such [13:58] <Genesis> this is just a thought [13:58] <KT> and anything else we might have missed [13:58] <Genesis> but arsy's ic mafia thing [13:58] <Genesis> make a webpage for it [13:58] <KT> yes it is [13:58] <KT> doomer? [13:58] <Genesis> and make a link [13:59] <Genesis> thus making it easier for ppl to play it [13:59] <Genesis> or even make a link to the forum thread [13:59] * KT sets mode: +v Arocalex [13:59] <Arocalex> you should be able to introduce cunstom sidebars [13:59] <Arocalex> and: bad idea Genesis [13:59] * KT sets mode: +v calledor [14:00] * KT sets mode: +v Ben [14:00] <Ben> ty KT [14:00] * mike_sleep has joined #imperialconflict [14:00] <KT> np [14:00] <Arocalex> the reason why its popular is because its easy accesable [14:00] <Ben> Arocalex: I've been messing with the thought of making a 'sidebar builder', using the Firefox's Greasemonkey plugin [14:00] <Genesis> that was just an example [14:01] <calledor> oh, i think we need a quicker method of stationing trrops [14:01] <Ben> which would basically replace the current sidebar inside the browser [14:01] <Genesis> point is having other things where the ic community can interact, rather than just the game itself [14:01] <Ben> instead of on the server [14:01] <Genesis> ooh calledor [14:01] <Arocalex> we had that [14:01] <Genesis> excellent, i almost forgot that [14:01] <Genesis> Stefan! [14:01] <Arocalex> pie made sevral thingys [14:01] <Genesis> mass stationing [14:01] <Ben> yes, Pie is working on IC-Portal again [14:02] <Genesis> is needed asap :o [14:02] <calledor> not saying why, but it takes forever to station troops one planet at a time [14:02] <calledor> thanks kt for not keeping that one anomomus, grrrr hahaha [14:02] * Nacirema has left #imperialconflict [14:03] <Genesis> and science planets need to be adjusted as well [14:03] <Genesis> they need to work based on % [14:03] <Genesis> 20% research planet, you get 20% more rp's from all rc's built there [14:03] <Ben> I think it might be a good idea to have a mod-editable box on the front page where they can put link to IC-related sites [14:03] <Ben> links* [14:04] <Arocalex> have to go, bye [14:04] * Arocalex has quit IRC (Quit: Using: Devotion IRC v.0.6.5beta�) [14:05] * calledor has quit IRC (Quit: Today is a good day to chat.�) [14:05] <Genesis> everyone's pretty dead by now [14:05] <Smartys> ? [14:05] #imperialconflict Cannot send to channel. [14:06] * calledor has joined #imperialconflict [14:06] * KT sets mode: +v Bosh [14:06] <Bosh> Ok, the one thing I would like [14:06] <Bosh> is if when you attack, you could put in multiple coords at once [14:08] <Ben> not a bad idea [14:08] * KT sets mode: +v DrHobo [14:08] <Wendy> Ben did u mention your idea about the player pool thingy? [14:09] <Ben> not yet, no [14:09] <DrHobo> in the ideas forum there many ideas from players which nearly everyone agrees too [14:09] <DrHobo> I suggest we take a look in those ideas [14:10] <DrHobo> maby even let the whole community vote if they would want the ideas after we let stefan look if he could do it [14:10] <Bosh> You mean like the common portals thing? [14:10] <DrHobo> and of course is willing to implent it :P [14:10] <Ben> ok, here goes: Basically, before BOR, have a pool where all players land. Drafting would be replaced by requests to play with a friend, and there is no certainty that you land in a fam with the players you requested. [14:11] <Ben> this way, fams could be evenly filled, even with drafting [14:11] <Bosh> but that would end up with situations like 'the fat kid in dodge ball' [14:11] <Ben> how so? [14:11] <Ben> it's a script that would divide the players [14:11] <DrHobo> uhhmm so people are not sure they land in the fam they want to play in [14:11] <Bosh> well... if noone wants to play with a few of the players [14:11] <DrHobo> > [14:12] <DrHobo> *? [14:12] * mike_sleep has left #imperialconflict [14:12] <Bosh> they will end up in crumbier families while the good ones are taken [14:12] <Ben> Bosh: they'd basically be randoms [14:12] <Ben> the new drafting would still be VIP only [14:12] <DrHobo> yeah ok but you aren't sure you will get in that fam? [14:12] <Ben> indeed [14:12] <Bosh> Oooh [14:12] <Ben> that's the whole point [14:13] <DrHobo> that will only piss off allot of people [14:13] <Ben> :/ [14:13] <DrHobo> and they will only delete [14:13] * KT sets mode: +v OrBit [14:13] <Ben> then those people are idiots [14:13] <OrBit> ben [14:14] <OrBit> if playing with ur friends isnt certain, u wouldnt pay, if u dont pay stefan will just close ic [14:14] <DrHobo> what would be reasonns why people do or do not end in the fam they want to play in? [14:14] * mike_sleep has joined #imperialconflict [14:14] <Wendy> [19:10:17] (+DrHobo): maby even let the whole community vote if they would want the ideas after we let stefan look if he could do it< yes that is possible when stefan fixes polling [14:14] <Wendy> sorry to bring that up now but had to read up [14:14] <Wendy> <cooking:P [14:14] <DrHobo> np ;) [14:14] * Gimz has joined #imperialconflict [14:15] <Genesis> polling is messed up? [14:15] <Ben> OrBit: that's their problem, but I don't think it'd go that far [14:15] <DrHobo> so that is the 2nd time it comes up that stefan needs to fix the polling ;) :P [14:15] <Ben> Hobo: well, if the fam is full for example [14:15] <Genesis> Ben, isnt that just a strecth away from randoming? [14:15] * Gimz has left #imperialconflict [14:15] <Ben> say you put in two randoms for every draft [14:15] <OrBit> stefans been here for about 30 minutes talking, what makes u think he is going to read anymore? [14:15] * Bender has left #imperialconflict [14:16] <DrHobo> I say your system could work, there should be a limit or drafts like now but that drafts should be in a fam together first [14:16] <Ben> if there are too many drafts in a fam, they get put somewhere else [14:16] <DrHobo> and then even all fams out with the "randoms" [14:16] <OrBit> i dont think the drafting system needs to be changed ben [14:16] <OrBit> its already been reduced [14:16] <Ben> I'm not saying the idea is perfect from the start, but it could be built upon :) [14:16] <Ben> well [14:16] <Ben> drafting currently isn't very good IMO [14:16] * KT changes topic to 'PM Wendy or KT if you have an idea or suggestion to the topic we are discussing. Stefan will join soon.�' [14:16] <OrBit> why not [14:16] <OrBit> too many or too few? [14:17] * Arnor|food has left #imperialconflict [14:17] <Genesis> i think you can remove the 2nd line of the topic KT :P [14:17] <OrBit> idd [14:17] <Ben> people make their family days before the round starts, someone joins a second after it starts, kills off every random to make place for VIPs, ... [14:17] <Ben> not fun then for randoms [14:17] * Wendy changes topic to 'PM Wendy or KT if you have an idea or suggestion.�' [14:18] <OrBit> thats the benefit of buying a vip [14:18] <Genesis> the benefit of buying a vip are the vip features [14:18] <Wendy> u get an avatar, map features, sig [14:18] <Genesis> which didnt include drafting [14:18] <OrBit> which is drafting [14:18] <DrHobo> Ben that is no big problem since that rarely happens [14:18] <Wendy> err some other stuff [14:18] <Wendy> all listed in the faq [14:19] <DrHobo> no ads! [14:19] <DrHobo> ;) :P [14:19] <Ben> Hobo: that is a big problem. It always happens :P [14:19] <Genesis> nope OrBit, drafting was an add on that screwed things up [14:19] <Wendy> uhuh :) [14:19] <Genesis> in my view ^^ [14:19] <OrBit> how did i screw things up? [14:19] <OrBit> it* [14:19] <Wendy> it did help a lot to leave [14:19] <OrBit> i enjoy the fact i can draft together friends [14:19] <DrHobo> I never seen it happen Bekko [14:19] <Wendy> random fam v's drafted fam = random fam usually died [14:19] <Wendy> early [14:19] <Ben> I have, more then enough [14:20] <DrHobo> :/ [14:20] <Ben> than* [14:20] <DrHobo> not always [14:20] <DrHobo> noir proved that in the IC Challenge :P [14:20] <OrBit> but thats not to say a random family cant do well? [14:20] <Bosh> true [14:20] <Ben> ofcourse not always, but it's no fun for a random to know there's a 70% change to get killed off [14:21] <OrBit> if u removed drafting, it will become unsocial conflict [14:21] <Wendy> ah yes DrHobo but i am talking bout way back when it was first ingtroduced [14:21] <Wendy> -g [14:21] <DrHobo> I never encountered this problem so I cant really say anything about it except that I dont think it is such a big problem :P [14:21] <Ben> that's why I suggest to not remove it completely [14:21] <Wendy> & in many cases it is still the same [14:21] <Wendy> which is y some of th elil fams at the bottom of the ranks are inactive [14:21] <Wendy> cos they don't have any drafts in there [14:22] <Bosh> well that is one reason, yes :P [14:22] <DrHobo> no the lack of drafts isnt the problem [14:22] <OrBit> then perhaps give every family leader the opportunity to draft 1 player whether they are vip or not [14:22] <DrHobo> the lack of active/skilled people is the problem there [14:23] <Bosh> DrHobo well if you have an active friend, who could help, but is in a diff fam, it becomes a problem [14:23] <DrHobo> the fact that people with vips who use the draft function are active and usually skilled does not change that fact [14:23] <Wendy> i know but my point was that it killed the will for a lot of players to stay when drafting was introduced [14:24] <Wendy> because u end up with strong drafted fams, that will have better organisation from the start cos they know they are playing together & who is doing what [14:24] <DrHobo> well basically we are back to the drafting vs randomming discussion [14:24] <Wendy> & it is still much the same today [14:24] <OrBit> and still no sign of our party guest [14:24] <OrBit> maybe a bear got him [14:24] <DrHobo> and my opinion on that is, get a normal gal with and one without drafting [14:24] <DrHobo> let people chose what they want [14:24] <OrBit> we have that atm with mw random [14:24] <DrHobo> instead of limiting/removing the drafts [14:25] <Wendy> well we do have that DrHobo [14:25] <Wendy> u have mw [14:25] <Wendy> u have andro [14:25] <Bosh> but with no description of either, really [14:25] <Wendy> & new players have pw if they wanna [14:25] <Wendy> or vets wanting tohave a elaxing time [14:25] <DrHobo> yes I know orbit, but for some reason there many people who want to change that back :/ [14:25] <OrBit> well if they dont like it they should play andro [14:26] <Bosh> but they dont know to play andro... [14:26] <Bosh> there is nothing telling them the difference [14:26] <OrBit> dont know how to play andro? [14:26] <OrBit> lol [14:26] <OrBit> its the same game [14:26] <Wendy> yeah... [14:26] <Bosh> no no. the drafting versus randoming [14:26] <Bosh> if there are different features to each galaxy, they should be noted somewhere [14:27] <DrHobo> but really, having 1 normal gal with drafting, 1 nromal gal without drafting and pw should satisfy everyone's needs right? [14:27] <OrBit> yeah [14:27] * euromistress has joined #imperialconflict [14:27] <Wendy> it is in the announcements tho... [14:27] * KT sets mode: -v Ben [14:27] <DrHobo> so why talk about limiting drafting in the 1 drafting gal, if people do not like it/want it they could go to the normal non drafting gal [14:27] * KT sets mode: +v Smartys [14:27] * Artic has joined #imperialconflict [14:28] <Bosh> right, but perhaps it should be somewhere else. Like whre you are joining [14:28] <Bosh> not just in forums [14:28] <DrHobo> an explanation of all the gals in the "join galaxy" screen isnt a bad idea [14:28] <DrHobo> especially if we keep these differences between the gals [14:28] <Bosh> thats all i was trying to point out :) [14:29] * KT sets mode: -v OrBit [14:29] <Smartys> Ooh, my turn to talk? :D [14:29] <Wendy> & i am not dimissing it :) [14:29] <Wendy> oh no who voiced Smartys :P [14:29] <Smartys> lol :P [14:29] <Wendy> j/k;) [14:29] <Smartys> I just wanted to promote the "Bring back the old rankings" campaign [14:30] <Smartys> Give me family HoF or give me death! [14:30] <Smartys> :P [14:30] * Smartys waits for Stefan to smite him [14:30] <Wendy> lol [14:30] <DrHobo> indeed [14:30] <Wendy> that could be extreme Smartys [14:30] <Wendy> u know u should be careful what u wish for... [14:30] <DrHobo> everyone who I spoken too liked the old hof more [14:30] <Smartys> uhoh :o [14:31] <DrHobo> since it was much clearer for everyone [14:31] <KT> hobo.. someone else would like to speak.. i need to devoice you [14:31] <DrHobo> np [14:31] * KT sets mode: -v DrHobo [14:31] <KT> tnx [14:31] * glue has joined #imperialconflict [14:31] * KT sets mode: +v Artic [14:31] <Smartys> It would also allow for the EoR awards to happen again [14:32] <Smartys> I mean officially, of course [14:32] <Artic> w00t. [14:32] <Artic> is stefan even here? [14:32] <Bosh> not for 45 minutes now, no [14:32] <Artic> lol [14:32] * H3 has joined #imperialconflict [14:32] <Smartys> speaking of which, the old script for adding EoR awards is still here, yay! [14:34] <Bosh> Is there going to be a complete log of this somewhere for people who werent able to attend, to read? [14:34] <Smartys> Bosh: Pie says yes [14:35] <Bosh> Thank you. [14:35] * KT sets mode: +v insomnia [14:35] <Artic> ok [14:35] <Artic> now all of us vips are "donating" 10 dollars [14:35] * Keeran has joined #imperialconflict [14:35] <Artic> go buy a pager so when ic goes down someone can page u and u can fix it [14:36] <Artic> pagers are only like 10 bucks [14:36] <insomnia> can i just say a lot of people of messaged me saddened that Stefan peronally hasnr been on much [14:36] <evilsheep_Naked> Artic [14:36] * Wendy sets mode: -v Bosh [14:36] <Artic> what [14:36] <evilsheep_Naked> you are assuming that everytime IC goes down its within his powe to fix it [14:36] <insomnia> and feel that the message put throughout IC was erm false [14:36] <evilsheep_Naked> some of the time its a problem with the isp [14:36] <Artic> if it isnt it should be [14:36] <evilsheep_Naked> so if your isp goes out... its your fault you cant get on? [14:37] <Smartys> He isn't God, Artic [14:37] <evilsheep_Naked> that doesnt make sense [14:37] <Smartys> And he might not always want to fix it immediately either [14:37] <Artic> ok... im just saying when ic goes down we shouldnt wait for him to wake up to fix it [14:37] <insomnia> what smartys says about me is true i aint god [14:37] <Artic> some admin should have a fix buttom [14:37] <Artic> or somethin [14:37] <Smartys> Take the times he locked himself out of the server [14:37] <Smartys> himself and everyone* [14:37] <insomnia> but Stefan coud of ben here tonight [14:37] <evilsheep_Naked> a fix button? lol [14:37] <evilsheep_Naked> if it were that easy Artic [14:38] <Artic> lol... damnit he isnt even here. [14:38] <insomnia> i have had 5 people complain that Stefan hasnt even said anything whilst they been on [14:38] <Artic> ohwell [14:38] <Smartys> that's because many of the issues in here didn't require Stefan's attention [14:38] <Smartys> They were players debating with players on issues that mods control [14:38] <Artic> its a waste of room on hq page [14:38] <insomnia> i am giving my voice up just a word to say GOOD ON THE MODS ic woud be ic without you [14:38] <Wendy> stefan did answer questions put to him in here tho [14:38] <KT> he doesnt need to deal with shorter rounds or smaller families [14:39] <Smartys> Artic: He did address questions directed at him [14:39] * IC_Death has joined #imperialconflict [14:39] <insomnia> not the point [14:39] <Smartys> This talk has just continued without him ;) [14:39] <insomnia> ic people havent seen him [14:39] <Smartys> I see him [14:39] <insomnia> they expected to [14:39] <Artic> Stefan. Do u consider ic of having a chance of growing or dying off? [14:39] <Smartys> He's on my nick list right now [14:39] <KT> ok lemme have your attention for a second [14:39] <Wendy> he already answered that Artic [14:39] <Wendy> when Genesis asked earlier [14:40] <Artic> lol this is retarded [14:40] * Artic has left #imperialconflict [14:40] <insomnia> sigh it was a BIG thing for ic peeps to see stefan he made the game [14:40] <insomnia> was a big thing [14:40] <Smartys> is* [14:40] <Smartys> Stefan is a Big Deal :P [14:40] <insomnia> bu he isnt here [14:40] <Smartys> He is here, he's idle right now [14:40] <insomnia> i havent seen him talk [14:40] <KT> we are going to remove the moderated portion of the chat now.. all rules apply here as to #mod and #general [14:41] <Smartys> Because we're discussing topics amongst ourselves [14:41] * KT sets mode: -m